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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Lennox Macbeth"]I think Calluna and Nez meant that it's difficult to picture Aladdin and Jasmine singing Christmas carols because Christmas carols didn't exist in their time OR place. Genie, on the other hand, jumps around in time and on the globe, so he would run across them at some point. http://www.moviemistakes.com/ points out some of the places where the historical accuracy of the Aladdin movie (and subsequently the series) was compromised in favor of political correctness, humor or better comprehension for children. If you consider that... [quote]Disney created the fictitious Agrabah for the film because the story is traditionally set in Baghdad. This was done because of the notority of Iraq (whose capital is Baghdad) in the Persian Gulf War a year before the film's release.[/quote] and [quote]The Magic Carpet Rids passes the Pyramids of Giza, which have already been stripped of the smooth limestone sheathing, as they appear today. This wasn't done until the 9th century by treasure seeking Arabs. The movie takes place sometime before 1 AD.[/quote] and [quote]This movie takes place sometime before the year one AD. When Abu rescues Aladdin from the shackles in the dungeon, he picks a padlock of type and style invented after the 15th century.[/quote] and [quote]The pants everyone wears are turkish pants, except for Aladdin's. His are a style worn in Thailand.[/quote] ...it's a 100% chance that NO ONE in the series, except the "semi-phenomenal, nearly cosmic" genie(s) would have even heard of Christianity, let alone Christmas carols, which weren't adopted even in their earliest forms until several hundred years after Christ's death. Baghdad, now currently the capital of Iraq, would have been under Muslim control for most of the time span that the "Arabian Nights" tales would have covered. In past centuries, it would have been inside the boundaries of the growing and shinking Persian Empire, was run through at one time by Alexander the Great, was run across by the Mongol Horde, was part of Mesopotamia, was part of Assyria, but was NEVER part of the Christian world. The last factual error I posted I might quibble on, depending on the exact time that the story took place. Baghdad is on the Silk Road, and Silk Road cities (which also include Buhkara and Samarkand) were widely diverse and had many features different than their local cultural counterparts, because of the heavy amount of trade taking place along the road. Also, the Turks travelled the road almost as extensively as the Arabs and the Chinese - in fact, after the Persian Empire receeded from what is today Iraq, Israel, Syria, Turkey, etc, Baghdad was inside the boundaries of the Ottoman Empire - ruled, of course, by the Ottoman Turks. That's what makes it hard for [b]me[/b] to conceive any of the characters except Genie celebrating Christmas in ANY way - there would have been 0 contact for any others.[/quote]
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Princess Amber
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:52 pm
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Aurora 101 wrote:
I thought that I could see them singing Christmas songs... but my mind has been changed. It could never happen. They're muslim!
Girl, I've known you long enough...NO! Forget I said anything, alright?
Nez
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:18 am
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I did spell musilm right....didn't I?
No, it's spelled 'muslim'. You had it right the first time.
Aurora 101
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:48 am
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I did spell musilm right....didn't I?
Aurora 101
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:46 am
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I thought that I could see them singing Christmas songs... but my mind has been changed. It could never happen. They're muslim!
Princess Amber
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:47 pm
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Nez wrote:
Actually, according to the trivia track on the DVD, "Aladdin" takes place in the 15th century.
That would mean aurora is older than Jasmine because that was the 14th century in her time.
She's like a hundred years older. I'll still make them the same age in my stories.
Princess Amber
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:44 pm
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xfkirsten wrote:
Nez wrote:
Oh, Princess Aurora, what have you wrought!
Wrought, I like that word. Wrought, wrought, wrought, wrought, wrought.
It's fun to say... like guava.
/Paul Reiser
Oh, Lord. What have I started.
Calluna
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:17 pm
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Nez wrote:
Actually, according to the trivia track on the DVD, "Aladdin" takes place in the 15th century.
The trivia track is full of shit; I gave up in disgust after about five minutes.
I think what they *meant* to say was that the architecture was about 15th century, and that's just because that's the age of most of the architecture in Ispahan, Iran (Rasoul Azadani's hometown)
Lennox Macbeth
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:10 pm
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Nez wrote:
Actually, according to the trivia track on the DVD, "Aladdin" takes place in the 15th century.
Thanks, Nez. I've been working for quite a while to run down the canon for time and place in the series (as impossible as that actually is). Does the DVD say anything about the location? Until I came across the site that said it was located in/near Baghdad, I had actually placed it further East along the Silk Road, in what today would be Iran. (I was going mainly by the various contacts with other nations - Greece via Mechanicles suggesting after 300 BCE, since it was Alexander who brought Greek culture to Persia, as well as the Turkish clothing, mentions of imported spice and silks (probably from India and/or China), as well as more offbeat things in the background images.) From those, I figured "Agrabah" would have been somewhere along the Silk Road between Baghdad and Samarkand. (I had toyed with the idea that it WAS Samarkand at one point, but then decided there wasn't enough Eastern influence.)
It's also nice to know that "canon" puts it in the 15th century rather than pre-first century. For one thing, there's more historical records from the 15th century to work from.
Plus, with a few exceptions, a number of references come from mid-millenium rather than pre-millenium (including the Muslim references Calluna mentioned).
It does, however, mean that I'll need to go back and
re
correct changes I had made to my fic to drag it back a few centuries.
Blah. Oh well.
Never mind me. A little OCD there.
xfkirsten
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:08 pm
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Nez wrote:
Oh, Princess Aurora, what have you wrought!
Wrought, I like that word. Wrought, wrought, wrought, wrought, wrought.
It's fun to say... like guava.
/Paul Reiser
Nez
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:18 pm
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Oh, Princess Aurora, what have you wrought!
Wrought, I like that word. Wrought, wrought, wrought, wrought, wrought.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:59 am
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SalukFan wrote:
Random, but a lot of the symbols that are in the pictures you showed are outside the Forty Thieves lair as well. I can get a picture of this after I get home from school.
Oh yeah, it's all coming together [/Kronk]
Salukfan
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:58 am
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The artefacts drawn in "The Lost City of the Sun" appear to be a sad imitation of early Mesopotamian work. The hieroglyphics on the wall Mozenrath walks past may be a vague attempt at pre-cuneiform writing from Mesopotamia. (Note that while attempts are made in the Aladdin movie to suggest Arabic is the written language, none of the words actually ARE Arabic words, and people read left to right like we do, instead of right to left. Just another minor oversight in the design work. )
Random, but a lot of the symbols that are in the pictures you showed are outside the Forty Thieves lair as well. I can get a picture of this after I get home from school.
Nez
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:41 am
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Actually, according to the trivia track on the DVD, "Aladdin" takes place in the 15th century.
Princess Amber
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:57 pm
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Oh.
xfkirsten
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:34 pm
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Princess Aurora wrote:
Just wondering, but if some people in B.C lived for like centuries, would Al and Jas live for like centuries too?
Nope, not by the time that Aladdin takes place. The time that is said to have been is long before even the New Testament of the Christian Bible takes place, let alone 900 AD.
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