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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="APK"][quote]Cinderella did nothing to better her situation. Sure, she was kind and graceful even in the most adverse situations but all she did was she weep in the garden at which time the Fairy Godmother came to her rescue and got her all spiffed up for the royal ball, where she was later rescued from her life of hardship by a MAN. Then, instead of using whatever skills she cultivated by being a "servant in her own house" by moving out and opening a cleaning/catering company, she runs off to marry a man who only knew her for 2-4 hours by "royal command".The fairytale aspect that I can appreciate would be the fact that she could do the waltz all night in glass slippers and not injure herself but what I have a great deal of difficulty is the disturbing message, intentional or not, that obstacles in life are not overcome by merit and determination but by ultimately being "rescued" by a MAN who thinks she is pretty.[/quote] That's from another website. I find that so hilarious. Instead of using her skills to open up a shop? :lol: Maybe you can do that now in 2006 but girls then weren't so business savvy and even if they were, no MAN would allow them to be successful. Someone else responded, [quote]I find it so hard to take anyone seriously who feels the need to capitalize MAN when they make their point. As if being saved by a crazy old hag is any better than being saved by a MAN as though a MAN doing anything good is completely unbelievable and that being helped by such a MAN would be the lowest low one could ever achieve. Besides, like all these stories it says tall handsome men are good, ugly people are bad, etc etc and get over it. One could easily say that this movie sets up a bad example for young boys too telling them that unless they're tall and wealthy they'll never get a Cinderella. [/quote] Do you think boys sometimes get insecure because of Aladdin? :lol: [quote]Let's imagine Cinderella is a real person. Let's evaluate her character. Cinderella is a person who: 1. Admires her appearance without falling into vanity. 2. Does not depend upon others to [i]determine[/i] her happiness in any situation. (she decides if she is happy) 3. Is considerate of the living things around her as well as her own living space. 4. Even in a situation where she has little control over her homelife circumstances, can confront her oppressors with dignity. 5. Can adapt to many situations and is very capable of overcoming disappointment. She's also very resourceful. 6. Can laugh at herself and appreciate her talents and abilities without being pompous. 7. Can carry an intelligent conversation with a man, without having the intention to seduce him. 8. Can be close to nature without worrying about appearance, or concern for her clothing. 9. Is compassionate. This is a significant trait not appreciated enough, in my opinion. 10. Does not act haughty to an odd old woman(fairy godmother). She can respect many kinds of people. The real injustice any society can make regarding the well being of young women, is to teach them that only one kind of personality is supreme and only a few others are acceptable. In that sense, rather than teach young women respect for self and others, as well as awareness of social conditions is important regarding personality, we limit them. The message is then: "If your personality fits into a social interpretation of strength, you're acceptable" (even if you aren't really strong on the inside) Who cares if Cinderella was "blonde haired and blue-eyed", (it doesn't make her evil) concerning ourselves with such nonsense is just a distraction. She was the quinessential Taoist. Who do you think would be more likely to survive a time of peril? Disney's Cinderella or the "strong" Samantha character from "Sex and The City"? [/quote][/quote]
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Syera
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:28 pm
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Use your imagination!
Corn - food supplies from off-world.
Gus getting chased by Lucifer - McKay and any wraith of your choice.
Jaque distracting Lucifer - Sheppard going off on a potential kamikaze mission.
The little mouse in charge of Cinderella's dress makeover - Dr. Weir.
Jas
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:19 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
I think Rebecca said her dress was like Cinderella's
Woah, totally missed this one.
Yes, my dress was like Cinderella's.
Syera wrote:
I was just watching Cinderella, and I realized that the mice are so totally analogous to SGA.
Care to explain that one? I'm not seeing it.
Syera
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:12 pm
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Whoa... I was just watching Cinderella, and I realized that the mice are
so
totally analogous to SGA. 'Specially in the kitchen scene where the mice sneak out for corn.
Syera
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:34 pm
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You're welcome.
AmethystFae
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:24 pm
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Syera wrote:
There's a Chinese Cinderella story. I found it online
here.
Ooh! That was awesome.
Thanks.
~Hikaru
Syera
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:18 pm
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There's a Chinese Cinderella story. I found it online
here.
Nez
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:00 pm
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PrincessHikaru wrote:
Nez wrote:
PrincessHikaru wrote:
I found, among my bookmarks, tales from around the world, and a Cinderella story from Scottland. This reminds me of a couple of different stories I've read. I'm starting to wonder if the other stories this reminds me of were derived from Cinderella as well. Hmmm...
http://www.darsie.net/talesofwonder/scotland/ptgs.html
I was surprised China didn't seem to have a Cinderella story, but then I didn't look closely at every story either.
~Hikaru
Maybe. In China, they desire tiny feet, so maybe there is be an adaptation of Cinderella that suits the Chinese sensibility.
Oh, I know they do. What I meant is on that site there doesn't seem to be a Chinese version of Cinderella.
~Hikaru
Ah. My apologies.
AmethystFae
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:58 pm
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Nez wrote:
PrincessHikaru wrote:
I found, among my bookmarks, tales from around the world, and a Cinderella story from Scottland. This reminds me of a couple of different stories I've read. I'm starting to wonder if the other stories this reminds me of were derived from Cinderella as well. Hmmm...
http://www.darsie.net/talesofwonder/scotland/ptgs.html
I was surprised China didn't seem to have a Cinderella story, but then I didn't look closely at every story either.
~Hikaru
Maybe. In China, they desire tiny feet, so maybe there is be an adaptation of Cinderella that suits the Chinese sensibility.
Oh, I know they do. What I meant is on that site there doesn't seem to be a Chinese version of Cinderella.
~Hikaru
Nez
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:56 pm
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PrincessHikaru wrote:
I found, among my bookmarks, tales from around the world, and a Cinderella story from Scottland. This reminds me of a couple of different stories I've read. I'm starting to wonder if the other stories this reminds me of were derived from Cinderella as well. Hmmm...
http://www.darsie.net/talesofwonder/scotland/ptgs.html
I was surprised China didn't seem to have a Cinderella story, but then I didn't look closely at every story either.
~Hikaru
Maybe. In China, they desire tiny feet, so maybe there is be an adaptation of Cinderella that suits the Chinese sensibility.
AmethystFae
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:54 pm
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I found, among my bookmarks, tales from around the world, and a Cinderella story from Scottland. This reminds me of a couple of different stories I've read. I'm starting to wonder if the other stories this reminds me of were derived from Cinderella as well. Hmmm...
http://www.darsie.net/talesofwonder/scotland/ptgs.html
I was surprised China didn't seem to have a Cinderella story, but then I didn't look closely at every story either.
~Hikaru
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:11 pm
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PrincessHikaru wrote:
Now, that right there reminds me of a friend who isn't one of my close friends, but I happen to hold a lot of respect for her. But you're not her. Still, your reaction to Into The Woods is similar to how she would have reacted. I had to do a double-take.
~Hikaru
I'm just a big collection of everyone ever
AmethystFae
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:50 pm
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Lord Mozenrath wrote:
AladdinsGenie wrote:
I think Rebecca said her dress was like Cinderella's
And Into the Woods is GREAT. Go see it. Now. Why are you still reading this? Go! Scat! Shoo!
Into the Woods? I've seen it and it was great. Especially the witch, who seems more than it meets the eye.....
You like the Witch, too? Shut UP! She's like my favourite character! How awesome that you like her, too. I loved her outfit in the second half, too. I want a similar copy, only dark purple where the red part was.
~Hikaru
AmethystFae
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:46 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
I think Rebecca said her dress was like Cinderella's
And Into the Woods is GREAT. Go see it. Now. Why are you still reading this? Go! Scat! Shoo!
Now, that right there reminds me of a friend who isn't one of my close friends, but I happen to hold a lot of respect for her. But you're not her. Still, your reaction to Into The Woods is similar to how she would have reacted. I had to do a double-take.
~Hikaru
Lord Mozenrath
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:21 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
I think Rebecca said her dress was like Cinderella's
And Into the Woods is GREAT. Go see it. Now. Why are you still reading this? Go! Scat! Shoo!
Into the Woods? I've seen it and it was great. Especially the witch, who seems more than it meets the eye.....
AmethystFae
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:50 pm
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APK wrote:
When you consider what time it's set in, and look at all the other Cinderella adaptations which usually suck, Cindy isn't so bad.
I noticed that when I got the DVD.
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Cinderella isn't my favorite princess (I grew up with PCness) but I'm watching it right now on the disney channel and I'm realizing that while Cinderella isn't the loudest princess and probably not the greatest role-model she isn't *that* submissive.
She isn't my favourite either, but she also isn't my least favourite. She is better than Snow White (IMO) and I still haven't decided on whether she's better than Aurora or not.
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Sometimes she really is too nice for her own good but I notice that she does try to reason with her step-evils sometimes and has this "Oh, no this biatch didn't," look on her face sometimes but then decides not to say anything. Sometimes she does say things like "Oh, *now* what do they want? I'm coming, I'm coming!" (After all, she only cooks and cleans. She isnt' being beaten so she has no reason to run away. Where would she go? She's basically an orphan and has to work to be able to stay in her step-mom's house. She probably only stays because they are her only family and for whatever reason, her father loved her step-mother)
In some versions of the story, her father's still alive. In others, "the Stepmother's true nature" is revealed. I guess Disney couldn't have a loving father be alive and know this stuff was going on, but trust me, it does happen.
And, you're right. Where WOULD she go? Sometimes you've got to pick your battles. And, at the end, she left with the prince. She didn't say, "Well who will take care of my family?" So, she's not entirely a pushover.
I also noti
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ce the way she holds her head up with a quiet dignity when she asks why she can't go to the ball. Throughout the film she had class and grace which her sisters didn't have and she probably doesn't want them to know they've gotten the best of her so she remains polite. (she only cries once in the movie and it's not in front of them) The rest of the film she keeps her head up.
Well, twice, actually, but neither time was in front of them.
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And remember the scene when Lucifer (the demon cat) purposefully tracks his dirty paws on the floor Cinderella just cleaned? I love the way she throws down the towel and says "I'm just going to have to teach you a lesson!" and picks up the broom and advances towards him.
(even though she gave that whole speech to the dog about being kind to others) She even sicks the dog on the cat in the end!
She's kind of sassy to the cat throughout the movie when the "steps" aren't around. Did anyone else notice that? It's kind of funny, because the cat can't tattle on her.
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When the fairy godmother comes she tells Cinderella that "all dreams must come to the end." The fairy godmother only wanted to give Cinderella a much deserved break and help her go to the ball for that one night, not help her get married.
I never actually thought of it that way. No doubt the Fairy Godmother knew what the king's tactic was, but you could be right. Who knows?
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Here's something I've never noticed before: When Cinderella is at the ball she doesn't know that the guy she's with is the prince. She's not looking for a happily ever after marriage, she just wants to go to the dance. When her dress is gone and the carriage is a pumpkin again she says something along the lines off "Well, that's that. Now it's over." So I don't think she was planning to dwell on that dream for the rest of her life.
Oh, I loved how she really liked this guy she danced with, not knowing he was the prince. She loved him for who he was. I only wish they'd done a scene with them getting to know each other. Maybe they talked alittle. In a couple of different versions of Cinderella I've read, the ball lasted over a period of a few nights or a week.
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The original fairy tale wasn't great (every orginal fairy tale sucks until its adapted, imo)
Well, that's a matter of opinion, like you said. But fairy tales have been adapted so many times, I think everybody can choose his or her favourite and be happy with it.
For whatever reason, I like the part in the original where the stepmother cuts up the step sisters' feet.
And then I think of Into the Woods. "No blood at all inside the shoe. This is the proper bride for you."
I don't think I own a version of Cinderella where the Stepsisters get their eyes pecked out. But then again, I've gotten some new fairy tale books since the last time I checked. And the foot-cutting is usually there.
~Hikaru
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