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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Syera"][quote="APK"]There is the danger of overdoing anything, even if it's overdoing the character's beauty/ugliness/plainess. How do you keep from making the story blah if you want to make your character an ordinary, average person? [/quote] 'Tis simple. Average doesn't automatically equate to 'blah.' Everyone's had some rotten times in their life. Everyone has things they enjoy doing. Everyone has quirks and oddities about them. Still, there's nothing wrong with giving your character a little extra here and there, so long as you don't overdo it. You can take a plain cake batter (which would taste fine as-is) and make it into a spice-cake by adding the right spices. However, if you overdo the spices or put in the wrong spices, it's just icky. [quote]I'm glad that you mentioned that the things listed were symptoms, not the disease, Syera. I've seen authors' characters be accused of being Sues/Stus even though I felt the charcters weren't that at all. And usually the argument is, "They're pretty, well-liked and have good sense of morals!" Yes, these things *could* make a stu/sue but they aren't the only things.[/quote] True. [quote]And the argument that the main character is the center of the universe could also be good evidence to sueish-ness, but most main charcters are supposed to be the main focus.[/quote] True. And for a standalone book or movie, it's probably fine. However, if you're doing a series of any kind, it can be detrimental to continually focus on and 'spoil' one character. It can stifle potential storylines, plus it can make the reader feel resentful. Let's say your character prefers a... oh, geeky scientist to the hero. ([url=http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=5740371&postcount=1744]It happens.[/url]) This reader is going to want to see the scientist get out and get a little action. If you keep focusing on the 'hero' character of the story, this reader is going to get bored, irritated, and quite possibly resentful. One example that immediately comes to mind is Sailor Moon. Out of five young women, only one gets true love at the end of the story. The other four? Far as I can tell, their only duty is to act as the personal protectors of the spoiled brat I mentioned. This is hardly fair to the readers who identify themselves with the other characters of the story.[/quote]
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Syera
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:05 pm
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High for a villain? Not a bit. Villains need to be interesting characters, too.
Jafaria
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:05 pm
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I wasn't using your test when Jafar scored a 30. I was using a different one. But still, a 16 is still rather high for a villain, don't you think?
Syera
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:47 pm
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I know it has its flaws. I've revised it a bit recently, so I'm hoping it's a bit more accurate than it was.
*Tests Jafar*
He scores a 16 for me.
Jafaria
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:00 pm
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Hmm...you make a good point. Then again, I've become a little more leery of Mary Sue tests ever since I put Jafar through one and he got a 30. I think the only way to find out if your character really
is
good or if it's a Mary Sue is to have someone read it, because the tests often assume that a powerful character is a Sue when the reality is that some characters NEED to be powerful or be exceptional in at least one way to be interesting. Frankly, if my characters scored more than 30 on a Mary Sue test, I'd revise them, but I'd also revise them if they scored less than 5 because with the type of questions on some of them, that means they're boring.
*Oh, I don't mind yours. I put Jafar through a different Mary Sue test entirely.*
Syera
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:54 pm
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An imp character, eh? I must say, I'm a bit curious about how that might be carried out.
Jafaria
- an imp Mary Sue might be easier than you think!
-She would have the head of a "cool" animal, like a wolf, fox, or cat. Especially pretentious authors might go as far as to use a "kitsune."
-She would be able to build cool stuff that Everyone would Adore.
-She'd be able to out-machine Mechanicles.
-She would have magical powers, possibly related to Egyptian mythology.
It could be done.
Katala
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:15 pm
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Lol well, she's an Imp but not a Mary Sue, and I certainly didn't create her to hook up with any canon characters or even be anyone's friend or whatever. It was mostly for a website project. I just wanted to run her through the test for fun.
Emmlei
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:59 am
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An imp Mary Sue... I'm with Jataria on this. I give ya points for creativity, I doubt many people would create an imp character.
Jafaria
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:33 am
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I've never heard of an Imp Mary Sue before. I don't know if it could be done.
Katala
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:38 pm
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*revives an old topic, but this is a really good test, thumbs up to Syera*
For the hell of it I took this test for Katala. I got a whopping 8. It would have been negative if "Is your character an Imp" on there because of course that would be worth -10 right there.
I laughed reading the questions. Bwaha. Hybrids.
Jafaria
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:33 pm
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Exactly! That's why I said it! I didn't want to let you down!
Hippsodeth
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:18 pm
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Jafaria wrote:
If a character becomes too negative then they can be a Mary Sue just as easily as a perfect one.
So I know, and do balance my characters out.
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But I don't think just having a sword should count towards your total.
Just had to:
"She's got a sword!"
"You idiots! We've all got swords!"
I knew someone would say that!
Syera
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:03 pm
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Kamara wrote:
*throws Kam into the test*She recieved a 20. Most of her points came from being canon-connected. Dude, I am taking off the weapons question.
She has a sword, big whoop.
Oooooookay, what part of
these are the symptoms, not the disease
did you miss?
The trouble with swords is, many times they're just objects given to characters to make them even shinier and kewler. There's often no solid reason for having a sword other than to further the character's badassery, especially if said character is female.
Jafaria
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:32 pm
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If a character becomes too negative then they can be a Mary Sue just as easily as a perfect one. But I don't think just having a sword should count towards your total.
Just had to:
"She's got a sword!"
"You idiots! We've all got swords!"
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:55 pm
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*throws Kam into the test*
The most Mary Sue-ish thing I ever do with my characters is take their names in message boards concerning their fandoms.
She recieved a 20. Most of her points came from being canon-connected. Dude, I am taking off the weapons question.
She has a sword, big whoop.
18-ish. If
negative
canon traits are passed on, that doesn't scream Sue to me.
Janette Morgan
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:54 pm
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APK wrote:
Oh, how I wish that would happen to me!
And you can all just guess who the pirate would be
I don't think you'd care much for Captain Geoffrey Slagg.
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I somewhat understand what you mean, but at the same time, I just thought of how authors like JK Rowling claimed to have outlined in detail before writing their books. I thought this was brilliant and could be really useful, since they would have no problem getting stuck in certain places
Writing an outline for your plot is useful. I just find that when I determine rules for characters straight away it tends to limit what I can let the characters get away with later on, and it's not conducive to my creative atmosphere. Instead, I prefer to choose a character theme - for Colin, it was "bored" - and let the character's personality develop around their reaction to the situation.
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