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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Janette Morgan"]Well, see, to my way of thinking, "average" and "ordinary" are not mutually inclusive. It's hard to be "ordinary" and "interesting" -- in fact, the words by nature contradict -- but "average" and "interesting" can be made to work. The most important thing to remember where character creation is concerned is a simple mantra, "Story Is King". Yep, story plays a lot into your character. It might be said that the characters and story have a symbiotic relationship, and when done properly the story will unfold in such a way that any other person would not have been able to do it. Not in terms of abilities, means or station, but by your character's personality, philosophy and idiosyncracies. For example, two stories I'm working on at the moment have quite different stories, but very similar lead roles. Colin (surname unknown) is a blonde teenage boy who enjoys the skateboard and cannot stand Shakespeare. One particularily hot day, he discovers that there is absolutely nothing for him to do, so he caves to the nagging of his parents and does an online job-search. Shortly after that, he falls asleep and, via the high-tech internet system, accidentally swaps his brain with the neural programming of a robot halfway across the planet. Crane McAlpin is a blonde teenage boy with a fondness for guitar and a general disliking of the ocean. While on vacation on a Caribbean island, he boredly wanders away from a large celebration and is kidnapped by pirates. On the surface, these two characters (indeed, roles) seem fairly interchangeable, but during the actual writing process Colin and Crane have developed into very different characters, and in fact as I wrote their personalities and opinions into the story I began to realize that one of them wouldn't have allowed himself to fall into the other's situation. So how do you develop a character like that? I mentioned earlier that Story is King, but the funny thing about it is that Character is King, too. It's a symbiotic relationship. While you're advancing the plot, you need to include your character's opinion on the situation and the world at large. This can be reflected in your character's thoughts, speech, actions and even your writing style. (I recommend reading some Dave Barry as an example of how someone can view things.) In fact, if the story begins to get slow it can often help to switch focus. "Okay, I'm bored," said Plot. "Character, it's your turn." And while doing this, your character starts - gasp - developing. And, of course, character development is what takes you from "blah" to "interesting". The reason it's important for your character to fit the plot is for your character consistency. For example, I've been trying to write a story in which I, just as I am, find a device that opens a portal to another world, and follow that portal there. The entire story's been stalled for some time simply because I am much too big of a coward to go through a portal of unknown origin of my own volition. By the way, if you have an idea of what you want your character to be, do yourself a favor and don't write a character sheet. Don't try to describe your character's personality, likes, dislikes, skills, etc. in minute detail before you start. As your character moves through the story, it will be essential at certain points to reveal certain things, and then you make sure that you only include what you need to. So, in essence, Plot and Character are two entities which, when created and used in tandem, will serve to keep each other interesting as long as you don't get actual writer's block. Don't worry too hard, and write what you feel. Editing is your friend; once your character develops further, you may wish to go back and alter or even rewrite his or her role. This is probably a more in-depth lecture than you were really after, but hopefully it was helpful somehow.[/quote]
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Syera
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:05 pm
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High for a villain? Not a bit. Villains need to be interesting characters, too.
Jafaria
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:05 pm
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I wasn't using your test when Jafar scored a 30. I was using a different one. But still, a 16 is still rather high for a villain, don't you think?
Syera
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:47 pm
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I know it has its flaws. I've revised it a bit recently, so I'm hoping it's a bit more accurate than it was.
*Tests Jafar*
He scores a 16 for me.
Jafaria
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:00 pm
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Hmm...you make a good point. Then again, I've become a little more leery of Mary Sue tests ever since I put Jafar through one and he got a 30. I think the only way to find out if your character really
is
good or if it's a Mary Sue is to have someone read it, because the tests often assume that a powerful character is a Sue when the reality is that some characters NEED to be powerful or be exceptional in at least one way to be interesting. Frankly, if my characters scored more than 30 on a Mary Sue test, I'd revise them, but I'd also revise them if they scored less than 5 because with the type of questions on some of them, that means they're boring.
*Oh, I don't mind yours. I put Jafar through a different Mary Sue test entirely.*
Syera
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:54 pm
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An imp character, eh? I must say, I'm a bit curious about how that might be carried out.
Jafaria
- an imp Mary Sue might be easier than you think!
-She would have the head of a "cool" animal, like a wolf, fox, or cat. Especially pretentious authors might go as far as to use a "kitsune."
-She would be able to build cool stuff that Everyone would Adore.
-She'd be able to out-machine Mechanicles.
-She would have magical powers, possibly related to Egyptian mythology.
It could be done.
Katala
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:15 pm
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Lol well, she's an Imp but not a Mary Sue, and I certainly didn't create her to hook up with any canon characters or even be anyone's friend or whatever. It was mostly for a website project. I just wanted to run her through the test for fun.
Emmlei
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:59 am
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An imp Mary Sue... I'm with Jataria on this. I give ya points for creativity, I doubt many people would create an imp character.
Jafaria
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:33 am
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I've never heard of an Imp Mary Sue before. I don't know if it could be done.
Katala
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:38 pm
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*revives an old topic, but this is a really good test, thumbs up to Syera*
For the hell of it I took this test for Katala. I got a whopping 8. It would have been negative if "Is your character an Imp" on there because of course that would be worth -10 right there.
I laughed reading the questions. Bwaha. Hybrids.
Jafaria
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:33 pm
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Exactly! That's why I said it! I didn't want to let you down!
Hippsodeth
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:18 pm
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Jafaria wrote:
If a character becomes too negative then they can be a Mary Sue just as easily as a perfect one.
So I know, and do balance my characters out.
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But I don't think just having a sword should count towards your total.
Just had to:
"She's got a sword!"
"You idiots! We've all got swords!"
I knew someone would say that!
Syera
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:03 pm
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Kamara wrote:
*throws Kam into the test*She recieved a 20. Most of her points came from being canon-connected. Dude, I am taking off the weapons question.
She has a sword, big whoop.
Oooooookay, what part of
these are the symptoms, not the disease
did you miss?
The trouble with swords is, many times they're just objects given to characters to make them even shinier and kewler. There's often no solid reason for having a sword other than to further the character's badassery, especially if said character is female.
Jafaria
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:32 pm
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If a character becomes too negative then they can be a Mary Sue just as easily as a perfect one. But I don't think just having a sword should count towards your total.
Just had to:
"She's got a sword!"
"You idiots! We've all got swords!"
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:55 pm
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*throws Kam into the test*
The most Mary Sue-ish thing I ever do with my characters is take their names in message boards concerning their fandoms.
She recieved a 20. Most of her points came from being canon-connected. Dude, I am taking off the weapons question.
She has a sword, big whoop.
18-ish. If
negative
canon traits are passed on, that doesn't scream Sue to me.
Janette Morgan
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:54 pm
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APK wrote:
Oh, how I wish that would happen to me!
And you can all just guess who the pirate would be
I don't think you'd care much for Captain Geoffrey Slagg.
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I somewhat understand what you mean, but at the same time, I just thought of how authors like JK Rowling claimed to have outlined in detail before writing their books. I thought this was brilliant and could be really useful, since they would have no problem getting stuck in certain places
Writing an outline for your plot is useful. I just find that when I determine rules for characters straight away it tends to limit what I can let the characters get away with later on, and it's not conducive to my creative atmosphere. Instead, I prefer to choose a character theme - for Colin, it was "bored" - and let the character's personality develop around their reaction to the situation.
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