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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Fez_Head"]I remember you telling me that when I asked you some questions when I was writing my article on young adults and Disney. You'll be the next Alan Menken and compose awe-inspiring music for Disney. Just remember us little people when you get famous, m'kay? :wink: Wow, an Aladdin-inspired thesis! That sounds so cool. What exactly are you doing your thesis on? The composition of the music, lyrical aspects? I'm so intrigued. I wish I could write my undergrad thesis on a Disney movie, but alas, no prof specializes in Disney at my university. :)[/quote]
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Meesh
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:34 pm
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I love that kind of thing, would love to hear more
I'm starting with my favorites and the ones that I have full scores and/or study guides for. Basically the ones that I think would be most helpful to producing the artifact. I've started with Nielsen's
Aladdin
because it's right up my alley and Debussy's
Estampes
because it's one of many on that list that was inspired by the Gamelan (which is huge in classical Orientalism).
Fez_Head
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:32 pm
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Thanks, Meesh. I guess my topic is a little bit of Shakespeare and sociology. In my Shakespeare university course this past year, I read
Romeo and Juliet
in this manner and it really opened my eyes on just how important male relationships are not just in Shakespearean plays, but in Elizabethan England at large. I'm really excited to get started on it and delve more into some of the secondary sources I have already found.
Wow, that's a lot of music
How on Earth are you going to narrow it down to just a few to write about? I will say that you should definitely talk about Mulan. Other than my major bias as it is my other favourite movie, but the score is so beautiful. I especially love the piece, Short Hair, when she makes the decision to leave her family. Seriously, I want a haircut to that epic synthesizer music.
Meesh
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:42 pm
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Your topic actually sounds interesting. Shakespeare meets sociology?
My list so far. It's a big'un. No way I'll get to all of them:
FILM
The Last Samurai, Hans Zimmer
The Mummy, Jerry Goldsmith
Mulan, Jerry Goldsmith
Memoirs of a Geisha, John Williams
Argo, Alexandre Desplat
Seven Years in Tibet, John Williams
The Kite Runner, Alberto Iglesias
Kingdom of Heaven, Harry Greyson-Williams
Prince of Persia, Harry Greyson-Williams
Raiders of the Lost Ark, John Williams
7th Voyage of Sinbad, Bernard Hermann
Life of Pi, Michael Danna
Aladdin, Alan Menken
Hidalgo, James Newton Howard
Passion, Peter Gabriel
Kundun, Philip Glass
Aladdin and the King of Thieves, Carl Johnson
Syriana, Alexandre Desplat
CLASSICAL
Scheherazade, Rimsky-Korsakov
Antar, Rimsky-Korsakov
Saber Dance, Aram Khachaturian
Nutcracker Arabian and Chinese Dances
Polovetzian Dances, Alexander Borodin
In the Steppes of Central Asia, Alexander Borodin
Procession of the Sardar, Ippolitov-Ivanov
Khovanshchina, Dances of the Persian Slave Girls, Mussorgsky
Chinese March from Song of the Nightingale, Stravinsky
Rondo alla Turca, W.A. Mozart
Overture to “The Abduction from the Seraglio,” W.A. Mozart
Danse Bacchanale, Camille Saint-Saens
Danse Generale, Maurice Ravel
Ruins of Athens - Chorus of Dervishes and Turkish March, L.V. Beethoven
March from the 9th Symphony, L.V. Beethoven
Pagodas from Estampes, Claude Debussy
Java Suite, Leopold Godowsky
Act II - Prince of the Pagodas, Benjamin Britten
String Quartet in F - mvt. II, Maurice Ravel
Poulenc Double Piano Concerto - mvt. III
Turandot, Puccini
Sheherezade Overture, Ravel
Les Indes Galantes, Jean-Philippe Rameau
Aida, Giuseppe Verdi, esp. Possente, Possente Otha
Padmavati, Albert Roussel
Evocations for Orchestra, Albert Roussel
Lakme, especially bell song, Leo Delibes
The Pearl Fishers, Georges Bizet
Tabu-Tabuhan, Colin McPhee
Satyagraha, Philip Glass
Akhenaten, Philip Glass
Le Rossignol, Igor Stravinsky
Das Lied von der Erde - esp. Von Der Jugend, Gustav Mahler
Gnoissiennes, Eric Satie
Islamey, Balakirev
The Miraculous Mandarin, Bartok
The Crown of India - esp. March of the Mogul Emperors, Elgar
Fux, Turkarna
Die Pilger von Mekka, Gluck
Arabian Dance from Peer Gynt Suite No. 2, Grieg
Symphony no.100 “Military” - 2nd mvt., Haydn
Variations on a Korean Folk Song, John Barnes Chance
In a Persian Market, Ketelbey
Das Land des Lächelns, particularly Von Apfelbüten einen Kranz, Lehr
Marche pour le la Cérémonie Turque, Lully
Divertissement from Thais, Massenet
Violin Concerto No.5 “Turkish” - esp. mvt. III, Mozart
Ich mochte wohl der Kaiser sein, Mozart
Aladdin Suit, Nielsen
A La Chinoiese, Ornstein
Orientalia from Cinderella, Prokofiev
Laideronnette, impératrice des pagodes from Ma Mere l’oie, Ravel
Belkis, Queen of Sheba, Respighi
L’italiana in Algeri Overture, Rossini
Piano Concerto No.5 “Egyptian”, Saint-Saens
Prestidigitateur Chinois from Parade, Satie
Belshazzar’s Feast, Sibelius
Egyptian March, Johann Strauss II
Märchen aus Dem Orient, Johann Strauss II
Persian March, Johann Strauss II
Salome (esp. Dance of the Seven Veils), Richard Strauss
Krol Roger (esp. Dance of the Shepherd’s Followers)
Abu Hassan Overture, Weber
Pleasure Dome of Kubla Khan, Griffes
Fez_Head
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:52 am
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Thanks for the explanation Meesh. I'm kinda glad that I don't have to do something like that for my thesis. I'm writing mine on the male homosocial relations in William Shakespeare's
Romeo and Juliet
, specifically its indirect and direct correlation with Verona's constructions of masculinity and heterosexual desire.
What other Western composers, other than Alan Menken of course, are you thinking of writing about?
Meesh
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:24 am
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You don't sound dumb. The artifact is a physical project that demonstrates your research. So I'm studying Western composers composing Middle-Eastern-inspired music, so I (a Western composer) am going to compose Middle-Eastern-inspired music. And since the course is about composing for visual media, I'm throwing in an illustrated story
Fez_Head
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:16 pm
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Wow, that sounds like such a fascinating topic to research. A lot more professional and interesting than my undergrad one will turn out to be, I'm afraid. Also, I hope I don't sound dumb to you, but what exactly is the artifact portion of the thesis? I've never heard of that part of it before.
Please do share it here when it's all written. I would love to read it.
Meesh
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:27 am
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I'm writing my thesis about the facets of a Western composer composing Eastern-inspired music. So the paper part will cover that. The artifact will be a music + drawings storytelling of Baldroubadour's story. I write the music, and my friend Kat is making drawings.
I'll share it when it's done
Fez_Head
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:35 pm
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I remember you telling me that when I asked you some questions when I was writing my article on young adults and Disney. You'll be the next Alan Menken and compose awe-inspiring music for Disney. Just remember us little people when you get famous, m'kay?
Wow, an Aladdin-inspired thesis! That sounds so cool. What exactly are you doing your thesis on? The composition of the music, lyrical aspects? I'm so intrigued. I wish I could write my undergrad thesis on a Disney movie, but alas, no prof specializes in Disney at my university.
Meesh
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:50 pm
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Yes, well put! I love doing that as well.
Not an English major (although I do enjoy the subject). I'm studying film music, and I'm actually working on my thesis (which of course I managed to make about Aladdin).
Fez_Head
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:16 pm
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Analyzing old things I used to love as a child and attempting to comprehend it from a more "adult" perspective is probably one of my favourite things to do. For instance, I love trying to find Shakespearean references in modern mediums (I'm looking at you, Aladdin balcony scene!). Don't judge me! I'm an English major, I can't help it!
I agree that the TV series was obviously written for a primarily child-based audience, but being able to comprehend certain nuances, such as characterization, at an older age, demonstrates that these writers were not solely writing for children.
And yay for nerds!
Meesh
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:50 am
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I agree. A lot of the development I cited were probably more for the audience and lacked the poignancy and subtly than a more thought-out drama. But hey, it's for the kids right?
Y'know... like us
imekitty
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:57 pm
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That was definitely the forerunner of those moments I was thinking of. He says other funny things, too, but that one is particularly hilarious. :b
And all of those moments are great examples, but I just wish there were more. I crave dynamic character development, and the series was more action-oriented over character-oriented than I would've liked. But I agree that that moment in KoT when Aladdin stands up to Cassim is an amazing one, and I really wish there were more moments as poignant as that in the TV series. But again, perhaps that would be too much for a children's show.
NERDS! ALL OF US!
Meesh
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:28 pm
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imekitty wrote:
He says such goofy things without really thinking, things that straight up piss Jasmine off. XD
Jasmine: Aladdin, did you date other girls before me?
Aladdin: Tons!
Jasmine: (tearing her hand away from Aladdin) Oh really?
Aladdin: I mean, that uh, I had to sift through tons of sand to find a jewel! (He holds her hands) You’re the only one for me Jasmine; no one will ever come between us!
Nice recovery.
Meesh
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:25 pm
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Regarding Aladdin and Jasmine's relationship, I also think of "That Stinking Feeling" first. "Eye of the Beholder" too, when Jasmine (and the audience) learns the crazy extent to which Aladdin loves her. She's also a bit over-jealous in "Elemental, My Dear Jasmine," which she learns to overcome. I like to think Sadira came later, which might explain how she doesn't completely flip over some of the things Sadira does. I think her jealousy in "Dune Quixote" is very fair and handled
reasonably
well.
Plenty of episodes feature Jasmine becoming adventurous and useful in combat, to the point where Mozenrath takes her seriously as a threat. There is one episode where she basically hints that she's over it all though. I can't remember which. She says something like, "I could do without the constant monsters."
I feel like everybody grows in "Garden of Evil," even if Aladdin learns a little too late.
There's also "Riders Redux," where Jasmine learns to be her own person and to step up as an authoritative figure. You could say "The Ethereal" too, but I feel like her love for her people was there all along, especially after her growth in "Do the Rat Thing."
I also always enjoy "The Spice is Right," when Aladdin learns to forgive himself. There are a couple of episodes where Aladdin learns humility, despite being unbeatable and revered ("Getting the Bugs Out," "When Chaos Comes Calling").
There's also "My Fair Aladdin," where Aladdin struggles to balance his street cred with the expectation of him to be proper and well-groomed.
For some episodes, I feel like the writers regressed the characters to conjure character growth, like "Air Feathered Friends."
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Nothing beats the first and third movies though. Gah, I gush when Aladdin leaves Cassim to take responsibility for his actions in Agrabah. The third movie really shows that he and Jasmine are ready for a family.
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I'm going to stop there. I'm a nerd. But I guess we all are here
Fez_Head
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:03 pm
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I haven't seen the episode Genie Hunt in a while, but I vaguely remember something being mentioned about Aladdin's mortality. I've always gotten the impression that Genie might stay around the future generations, but honestly, I have no idea. I guess that would be pretty hard, seeing all of these people and knowing that they will eventually leave you behind. Poor Genie. That's got to be pretty tough. At least he will have Carpet.
Yes, Raiders of the Lost Shark (I love all of the Indiana Jones similarities in the tetralogy). I agree, I think Aladdin's conflicting emotions should have been developed further, but I do applaud them for making note of it. I think this is a significant moment for Aladdin, especially for his own maturation. I've always loved how flawed Aladdin is, (don't even get me started on how much I ADORE the colour symbolism of his character) especially since Disney always likes to make these perfectly perfect characters who are so unrealistic sometimes, and this episode really emphasizes this. I just wish, like you, that they would have gone further into it.
I'm so curious about Razoul. I feel like he has this really interesting backstory and I want to know it now.
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