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APK
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 Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: So I'm watching Cinderella now |
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When you consider what time it's set in, and look at all the other Cinderella adaptations which usually suck, Cindy isn't so bad. Cinderella isn't my favorite princess (I grew up with PCness) but I'm watching it right now on the disney channel and I'm realizing that while Cinderella isn't the loudest princess and probably not the greatest role-model she isn't *that* submissive.
Sometimes she really is too nice for her own good but I notice that she does try to reason with her step-evils sometimes and has this "Oh, no this biatch didn't," look on her face sometimes but then decides not to say anything. Sometimes she does say things like "Oh, *now* what do they want? I'm coming, I'm coming!" (After all, she only cooks and cleans. She isnt' being beaten so she has no reason to run away. Where would she go? She's basically an orphan and has to work to be able to stay in her step-mom's house. She probably only stays because they are her only family and for whatever reason, her father loved her step-mother)
I also notice the way she holds her head up with a quiet dignity when she asks why she can't go to the ball. Throughout the film she had class and grace which her sisters didn't have and she probably doesn't want them to know they've gotten the best of her so she remains polite. (she only cries once in the movie and it's not in front of them) The rest of the film she keeps her head up.
And remember the scene when Lucifer (the demon cat) purposefully tracks his dirty paws on the floor Cinderella just cleaned? I love the way she throws down the towel and says "I'm just going to have to teach you a lesson!" and picks up the broom and advances towards him.  (even though she gave that whole speech to the dog about being kind to others) She even sicks the dog on the cat in the end!
When the fairy godmother comes she tells Cinderella that "all dreams must come to the end." The fairy godmother only wanted to give Cinderella a much deserved break and help her go to the ball for that one night, not help her get married.
Here's something I've never noticed before: When Cinderella is at the ball she doesn't know that the guy she's with is the prince. She's not looking for a happily ever after marriage, she just wants to go to the dance. When her dress is gone and the carriage is a pumpkin again she says something along the lines off "Well, that's that. Now it's over." So I don't think she was planning to dwell on that dream for the rest of her life.
The original fairy tale wasn't great (every orginal fairy tale sucks until its adapted, imo) |
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Syera
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah... I know what you mean.
The one thing that really bugs me is that the movie spans such a short time. I like longer-time-spanning movies myself. 
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I've learned to appreciate and like Cinderella a lot more now that I am older cause when I was younger, I kept yelling at the screen "DON'T DO THEIR WORK! THROW SOMETHING AT THEM!" I just didn't understand why she doesn't just say "Screw you" and walk away.
But it takes a strong person to put up with what she did, though. You have to be strong to put up with it and just as strong to walk away from it. Sometimes you are given a crappy situation and you just have to work through it.
I'm not saying she should just suck it up and continue to take that treatment, but at that time and in her situation--what was she going to do? Pack her bags and leave? What was she going to do, you know? I can almost bet maidens were not looked at as highly a person in their society or at least the one Disney created for this movie.
So I've learned to like her for her and not for the meek and soft woman that is played up by the princess merchandise.
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Nez
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
I've learned to appreciate and like Cinderella a lot more now that I am older cause when I was younger, I kept yelling at the screen "DON'T DO THEIR WORK! THROW SOMETHING AT THEM!" I just didn't understand why she doesn't just say "Screw you" and walk away.
But it takes a strong person to put up with what she did, though. You have to be strong to put up with it and just as strong to walk away from it. Sometimes you are given a crappy situation and you just have to work through it.
I'm not saying she should just suck it up and continue to take that treatment, but at that time and in her situation--what was she going to do? Pack her bags and leave? What was she going to do, you know? I can almost bet maidens were not looked at as highly a person in their society or at least the one Disney created for this movie. |
Yep, you gotta admire her for it. I would started bawling my eyes out and throwing a hissy fit...minute one.
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| I would have poisoned their food, but hey--that's just me! |
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APK
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| Cinderella did nothing to better her situation. Sure, she was kind and graceful even in the most adverse situations but all she did was she weep in the garden at which time the Fairy Godmother came to her rescue and got her all spiffed up for the royal ball, where she was later rescued from her life of hardship by a MAN. Then, instead of using whatever skills she cultivated by being a "servant in her own house" by moving out and opening a cleaning/catering company, she runs off to marry a man who only knew her for 2-4 hours by "royal command".The fairytale aspect that I can appreciate would be the fact that she could do the waltz all night in glass slippers and not injure herself but what I have a great deal of difficulty is the disturbing message, intentional or not, that obstacles in life are not overcome by merit and determination but by ultimately being "rescued" by a MAN who thinks she is pretty. |
That's from another website. I find that so hilarious. Instead of using her skills to open up a shop? Maybe you can do that now in 2006 but girls then weren't so business savvy and even if they were, no MAN would allow them to be successful. Someone else responded,
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| I find it so hard to take anyone seriously who feels the need to capitalize MAN when they make their point. As if being saved by a crazy old hag is any better than being saved by a MAN as though a MAN doing anything good is completely unbelievable and that being helped by such a MAN would be the lowest low one could ever achieve. Besides, like all these stories it says tall handsome men are good, ugly people are bad, etc etc and get over it. One could easily say that this movie sets up a bad example for young boys too telling them that unless they're tall and wealthy they'll never get a Cinderella. |
Do you think boys sometimes get insecure because of Aladdin?
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Let's imagine Cinderella is a real person. Let's evaluate her character.
Cinderella is a person who:
1. Admires her appearance without falling into vanity.
2. Does not depend upon others to determine her happiness in any situation. (she decides if she is happy)
3. Is considerate of the living things around her as well as her own living space.
4. Even in a situation where she has little control over her homelife circumstances, can confront her oppressors with dignity.
5. Can adapt to many situations and is very capable of overcoming disappointment. She's also very resourceful.
6. Can laugh at herself and appreciate her talents and abilities without being pompous.
7. Can carry an intelligent conversation with a man, without having the intention to seduce him.
8. Can be close to nature without worrying about appearance, or concern for her clothing.
9. Is compassionate. This is a significant trait not appreciated enough, in my opinion.
10. Does not act haughty to an odd old woman(fairy godmother). She can respect many kinds of people.
The real injustice any society can make regarding the well being of young women, is to teach them that only one kind of personality is supreme and only a few others are acceptable. In that sense, rather than teach young women respect for self and others, as well as awareness of social conditions is important regarding personality, we limit them.
The message is then: "If your personality fits into a social interpretation of strength, you're acceptable" (even if you aren't really strong on the inside) Who cares if Cinderella was "blonde haired and blue-eyed", (it doesn't make her evil) concerning ourselves with such nonsense is just a distraction. She was the quinessential Taoist. Who do you think would be more likely to survive a time of peril? Disney's Cinderella or the "strong" Samantha character from "Sex and The City"? |
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APK
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
| I would have poisoned their food, but hey--that's just me! |
No, that's just evil! I would have put some laxatives in their tea |
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Nez
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Cinderella did nothing to better her situation. Sure, she was kind and graceful even in the most adverse situations but all she did was she weep in the garden at which time the Fairy Godmother came to her rescue and got her all spiffed up for the royal ball, where she was later rescued from her life of hardship by a MAN. Then, instead of using whatever skills she cultivated by being a "servant in her own house" by moving out and opening a cleaning/catering company, she runs off to marry a man who only knew her for 2-4 hours by "royal command".The fairytale aspect that I can appreciate would be the fact that she could do the waltz all night in glass slippers and not injure herself but what I have a great deal of difficulty is the disturbing message, intentional or not, that obstacles in life are not overcome by merit and determination but by ultimately being "rescued" by a MAN who thinks she is pretty. |
That's from another website. I find that so hilarious. Instead of using her skills to open up a shop? Maybe you can do that now in 2006 but girls then weren't so business savvy and even if they were, no MAN would allow them to be successful. Someone else responded,
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| I find it so hard to take anyone seriously who feels the need to capitalize MAN when they make their point. As if being saved by a crazy old hag is any better than being saved by a MAN as though a MAN doing anything good is completely unbelievable and that being helped by such a MAN would be the lowest low one could ever achieve. Besides, like all these stories it says tall handsome men are good, ugly people are bad, etc etc and get over it. One could easily say that this movie sets up a bad example for young boys too telling them that unless they're tall and wealthy they'll never get a Cinderella. |
Do you think boys sometimes get insecure because of Aladdin?
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Let's imagine Cinderella is a real person. Let's evaluate her character.
Cinderella is a person who:
1. Admires her appearance without falling into vanity.
2. Does not depend upon others to determine her happiness in any situation. (she decides if she is happy)
3. Is considerate of the living things around her as well as her own living space.
4. Even in a situation where she has little control over her homelife circumstances, can confront her oppressors with dignity.
5. Can adapt to many situations and is very capable of overcoming disappointment. She's also very resourceful.
6. Can laugh at herself and appreciate her talents and abilities without being pompous.
7. Can carry an intelligent conversation with a man, without having the intention to seduce him.
8. Can be close to nature without worrying about appearance, or concern for her clothing.
9. Is compassionate. This is a significant trait not appreciated enough, in my opinion.
10. Does not act haughty to an odd old woman(fairy godmother). She can respect many kinds of people.
The real injustice any society can make regarding the well being of young women, is to teach them that only one kind of personality is supreme and only a few others are acceptable. In that sense, rather than teach young women respect for self and others, as well as awareness of social conditions is important regarding personality, we limit them.
The message is then: "If your personality fits into a social interpretation of strength, you're acceptable" (even if you aren't really strong on the inside) Who cares if Cinderella was "blonde haired and blue-eyed", (it doesn't make her evil) concerning ourselves with such nonsense is just a distraction. She was the quinessential Taoist. Who do you think would be more likely to survive a time of peril? Disney's Cinderella or the "strong" Samantha character from "Sex and The City"? |
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Wow.
Do you write character analysis essays in your spare time?
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APK
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| No, silly! I got those quotes from another site. I couldn't have wrote all of that by myself. I don't watch Sex in the City either |
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AladdinsGenie
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| APK wrote: |
| No, that's just evil! I would have put some laxatives in their tea |
Laxative? They just told me I couldn't go somewhere AND they ruined my dress....they get poison . Be lucky I just don't kill you.
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| Do you write character analysis essays in your spare time? |
I actually have, but not for Cinderella
But I gotta agree with that second paragraph. *ALL* the princess movies could easily be swayed that way, whether they were looking for love, romance, a man, etc. or not. Everyone just harps on Cinderella because the plot evolves around that. They act like the same basic situation of "a woman marries a man to escape from her troubled life" doesn't happen in today's society. If you are trying to run away from a terrible situation then yes, it's a terrible thing to do. But if it just so happens? I can't harp on that. Love is a sneaky mofo and can do a hit and run at any time |
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Syera
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| Laxative? They just told me I couldn't go somewhere AND they ruined my dress....they get poison . Be lucky I just don't kill you. |
With a laxative, m'dear, you've just put them in the same boat. 
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Yup. They won't be able to enjoy the ball, after all. They'll suffer more that way. Hmm, perhaps ruin their finances? Leave them bankrupt? Pretend to do their hair, have them close their eyes, cause its a surprise, only to wake up and find that you've accidentally cut it all off, put too much hairspray, or something? Dyed it green? Put something in their cosmetics? Put fleas or something in their clothes, or sheets? I know! Those herbs you drink when you're late? Or you could come up with something better. I'm not so good at this stuff.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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"I hope you all have a good time at the ball!"
::secretly flattens tires::
Oh. I guess they wouldn't have tires for back then. Er... ::secretly give the horse a tranquilizer:: |
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APK
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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And the deep and meaningful Disney lesson of the day is
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Take it to heart kids |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| It is! He's a rude guest that just shows up when you don't want him to |
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