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[AladdinFan92]

I've noticed that a lot of people on this site don't seem to like Disney sequels,and I've heard people make some very good arguments on the subject. But doesn't anyone here like sequels? Are they really that horrible?

Let's think about this.What are the elements of sequels that you hate? The main one I hear about is next generation sequels.For me,it was always a thrill to see characters that had a little of each of their parents,since there were usually qualities in their parents that I loved. Yes,I know it can take away from the original characters,but what happens when the parents still play a major role,like in TLK 2? Or in fanfiction? Are you going to reject all next generation fanfiction and films based purely on that?

Also,people complain that a lot of cliches are used. So what? Did it ever occur to anyone that there's a reason why these cliches work? Did anyone ever stop to think that a lot of Disney movies,even Aladdin,were chock full of them? For example:

Almost all Disney movies have the idea of two worlds coming together. Streetrat and princess, apeman and British snot, Indian and English settler.You name it,they've done it.

The idea that "true love conquers all". A beautiful theme,but it's been used in every,and I mean EVERY Disney film.

The storylines may change,but these cliches are in pretty much all the classic Disney films.If you love it so much in the first movie, why do you hate it in the sequel?

[AladdinsGenie]

But doesn't anyone here like sequels? Are they really that horrible?

There are a few I do like, but a majority of them I watch once and never again. The sequels of today are really lame. They had a little more substance when they first started out (KOT, BATB Enchanted Christmas, LKII, etc) before they really started to boom and now they're the cookie cutter plots.

What are the elements of sequels that you hate? The main one I hear about is next generation sequels.For me,it was always a thrill to see characters that had a little of each of their parents,since there were usually qualities in their parents that I loved. Yes,I know it can take away from the original characters,but what happens when the parents still play a major role,like in TLK 2? Or in fanfiction? Are you going to reject all next generation fanfiction and films based purely on that?

I HATE the sequel-based-off-a-child plot just because it's always the original movie just through their child. TLM II is a great example because that was honestly murder to watch. It was the SAME thing, just different villain and heroine. And if they are going to make an original movie based off their child, they might as well make it a full length movie and not a sequel because I didn't get to know that child in the first movie because, hi, they weren't there or that important. You see most of the kids they have in the first movie in the last 3 mintues of the film. They are an accessory, not the outfit.

Fanfiction and canon is two different things. I can read a story on Aladdin and Jasmine's kids, but that doesn't make it canon, nor does it mean I am going to hate it. As far as what I see on screen and in this point in time over Disney animated sequels, I do not like the idea of them having kids in a sequel. If you asked me this back when the sequels weren't so bad, *maybe* I would have been ok with it, but I just don't like that plot device at all. I don't need to see the same plot again through their children because it's already been done. It's called Aladdin. Get something new and original.

Also,people complain that a lot of cliches are used. So what? Did it ever occur to anyone that there's a reason why these cliches work? Did anyone ever stop to think that a lot of Disney movies,even Aladdin,were chock full of them? For example:

Almost all Disney movies have the idea of two worlds coming together. Streetrat and princess, apeman and British snot, Indian and English settler.You name it,they've done it.

The idea that "true love conquers all". A beautiful theme,but it's been used in every,and I mean EVERY Disney film.

The storylines may change,but these cliches are in pretty much all the classic Disney films.If you love it so much in the first movie, why do you hate it in the sequel?

In my span of Disney fandom, I have never heard anyone complain over any of those. Those are Disney cliches that are associated with what they've built. You expect a happy ending; You know that true love is going to conquer all; You know that these two seemingly different worlds are going to come together and set aside their differences. Why? Because that is what has been set up. Not to mention, these are fairy tales we are talking about. They have certain themes that must be followed in order to fit the criteria. *Everything* in the world is a cliche in someway.

When I see complaints over cliches, it's over stuff like "Why are all the newer heroines all rebels?" It gets tiring after a while, even with the movies fitting the times of today. You don't have to overkill the theme or idea by putting it in *every* single movie, you know?

[Guest]

I actually like some Disney sequels.

I think the reason some people don't like sequels is that they just aren't done with the same effort or heart, the animation and music is never as good as the first, the script is really rushed and there are many inconsistencies.

But I do like some sequels. Bambi II was surprisingly good if you haven't seen it yet

~APK~

[AmethystFae]

I don't hate all sequels. Anytime I watch a movie such as Aladdin or The Little Mermaid, I like to wonder what happened after the movie. The Aladdin sequels and TV series were stellar. (I hope that's a good word, because I like that word. It's so pretty.)
I'm very picky about sequels, though. Some are just a big disappointment. I agree with what AG said about LM2. So totally a re-hashing of the first movie. The whole thing was just a big disappointment. Though, Ariel, as a human grown-up reminded me of the grown-up Anne Shirley Blythe from the "Anne" series by L.M. Montgommery.
Cinderella 2 should never have been called a sequel. I liked the stories, but it annoyed me that they threw together three separate stories and called it a movie.

I guess my feelings toward sequals are love/hate. Sometimes, I like the story continued, but other times, I think "I could have done a better job than that." I mean afterall, as fans, we know the characters better than the writers, right? (That last comment was meant to be sarcasm.)

I have decided that if they ever do a Sleeping Beauty sequel, they should make it the other half of The Sleeping Beauty in the Wood, with the ogar. It was the Prince's mother, but Disney doesn't necessarily have to go there.

As for Cinderella 3, I'm not liking the idea of the stepmother using magic. One thing I liked about her was that she was evil, but she rarely ranted or threw things, yet she could do a lot of damage. Like in the scene where Cinderella comes down in the dress the mice made for her.
But anyway... I will have to watch that one when it comes out in order to give it a fair judgement.

Oh, Peter Pan 2 was another disappointment, because I believe they made Jane completely out of character from how she was portrayed for the few minutes that she was in the book.

Beauty & the Beast Enchanted Christmas was a good one, because it shed some light on what else happened while Belle was in the castle, since she had been there for a long time.

So, yeah. Love, hate. Love, hate. With me, it depends on the sequel. I won't watch Bambi anything anymore, because it makes me feel like such a monster.

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[AladdinsGenie]

It was nice to see an older Disney princess. That was the one thing I did like about that movie. And how they showed she missed the sea. But other than that? Uncalled for. If I thought the movie maybe needed a sequel to finish an untold story, I'd be ok with it, but chances are if it wasn't in the original there's a reason for that.

They do a lot of the "three seperate plots in one" thing and call it a sequel now a days. I know with Atlantis, that was supposed to be the series, but was cancelled during production for some reason I forget. Same thing with that Belle's Magical World sequel (which I did not know existed until a year ago ) I tend to forgive those simply because I know that wasn't intentionally made to be a movie like that, but I'm not sure if Cinderella was supposed to be a series.

No, we do tend to know the character a little better than them

Peter Pan 2 was a love/meh because it's sorta the same thing as the original and has that child plot, but I still liked what they did because it wasn't a complete rehash of the first one or watching Jane go through Wendy's plot (and as long as I ignored Jane I was ok because she was a BITCH )

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[Syera]

I don't know if you read my thread, "The Sequel Formula," but it basically explains where they usually go wrong with sequels. Basically...

-Well-developed characters are often flattened.
-While the original story was a relatively original one, the sequel is almost always a formulaic plot that's been used ad nauseam.
-If the sequel involves the child of the previous protagonist, the parents have a tendancy to suddenly become washed-up old fogies. And as AG mentioned earlier, we're basically watching a younger, hipper version of Mom or Dad having the same adventure again.

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