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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="AladdinsGenie"]But I still don't understand how that makes her spoiled :lol:. I guess our definitions are different because If I have some issues with a part of my life that I was born into, that will affect me for the rest of my life and pretty much be who I am, it makes me spoiled because I'm choosing not to just succumb without any questioning of it and without going "hey, hi, remember me? I am the one going through this. Don't I get some say in my life?" She knows she has a duty. I'd hope that was something that was brought up long before the week of her birthday :lol:, but I think she came to a crossroads where it came down to continue to have people make all your decisions and marry just anyone even if she didn't love the guy just to carry out her duty, or start taking control of her own life no matter what--including if she even [i]wants[/i] to get married--and she felt the only way to do that was to completely leave that life. It may not have been the best of decisions, but she made it and I can't call her spoiled for that. Maybe a bit irrational, but you do that when you're upset :lol:. She wasn't planning on going back, yes, but I reeeeeally doubt she would have made it far without being found after they realized she was gone. So it was a nice try, but I think somewhere deep inside she knew she was going back; she was just boasting in front of Aladdin :lol:. I completely agree she was running away for herself, but I can't help but feel there's more to it than just that. If that was the case, that she did it because she was doing it just for herself and nothing else, I think she would have reacted to that a while ago because that seems to be an issue that has been going on for a long time. For a rich teenager that's the only child to the heir of the throne of the entire city, she has managed to not end up being a pretentious snob, probably because she rejected a lot of that pampered life that comes with the title and seems really annoyed with people who really indulge in it. She's not crazy about it, but she put up with it. To me, she doesn't seem to really get that push that finally causes her to go over the edge until after Sultan's chat with her reminding her the law really doesn't care about her feelings or personal needs. She's said so herself that she was raised a princess and the needs of the people outweigh her own, and while I don't think she was fully wanting to accept that responsibility in the beginning (she can't even take care of her own needs for herself as a person, how is she suppose to take responsibilties for being a princess that includes herself and other people's needs? Talk about pressure :lol:), I have a hard time thinking that responsibility is something she completely ignored all her life. I think she learned more about what it meant as she was able to take more control of her life and actually be among the people she's going to one day rule over, but I guess I am looking at the personal aspect of it and you're looking at the technical side, which was the conflict in the movie to begin with :lol:[/quote]
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AladdinsGenie
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:02 pm
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It's Disney - some suspended belief is required
Jafaria
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:50 pm
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Ah yes, heaven forbid we ruin our metaphors with logic.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:30 pm
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Jafaria wrote:
And I don't get it, because there weren't any problems drawing extras on the streets of Agrabah, why couldn't there have been some servant or courtier extras in the palace?
A few years ago, I read in a Disney movie fact file book...thing, that that was actually intentional because the palace being that empty is a metaphor for Jasmine, so take that as you will.
persian85033
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:27 pm
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Maybe Genie takes care of everything?
Or maybe they have orders to never be seen, and are always in their headquarters? There was a headquarters for the guards in KoT, where Rasoul says he'll put the good word in for the little people.
Jafaria
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:49 am
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Well yeah, there
are
servants in the palace, Jasmine says so, but there don't seem to be any members of the royal family apart from Sultan and Jasmine, or any officials apart from Jafar. Its important-people population is too low, even if its general population isn't. And I don't get it, because there weren't any problems drawing extras on the streets of Agrabah, why couldn't there have been some servant or courtier extras in the palace?
persian85033
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:17 pm
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I think that started with Selim the Grim, but it could have been before. But I think that Selim killed his father. Or he abdicated.
In the Ottoman empire, they also killed their younger brothers, and if any of the girls were pregnant, they would drown them, just in case they might have a boy. That way, no one has any claim to the throne. Killing them was supposed to be a way to prevent more bloodshed, and any revolts or anything and preserve peace.
The sisters were fine, as they couldn't rule. Stay in the harem, and be married off to the viziers and stuff.
I suppose there were many servants, valets and stuff at the palace, and perhaps even a room for the sultan his viziers to meet to discuss stuff.
Maybe the sultan should abdicate in favor of Aladdin right after KoT.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:15 am
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From what I remember of the Ottoman succession line, whoever was up for consideration and didn't die on their way to get crowned first got the throne because that's the real fun part about the succession lines - seeing who comes out the melee as winner
But then they started getting paranoid and locked away/killed their brothers and people close to the throne to make sure they weren't overthroned. Good stuff.
Jafaria
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:14 pm
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This is only tangentially related, but it's been bugging me lately: if Jasmine had succeeded in running away, who would have been next in line for the throne?
Lines of succession didn't exactly work the same way in medieval Arabia as they did in other parts of the world. By which I mean they were hardly there at all.
If a ruler had sons, it's usually a fair guess to assume that one of the sons will take power. But you can't even always assume that one will, and you can't assume it will be the oldest. If a ruler didn't have sons, there usually wasn't very much fuss about it; the rest of the court, or the religious establishment, would find a brother or cousin or nephew of the ruler to install instead. If he didn't have any qualified family at all, it would be a long shot, but somewhat legitimate, for an official to at least temporarily take over.
In Agrabah, this presents us with a problem: Agrabah has the most underpopulated palace ever. So if Jasmine was absent and the sultan died--or even if the sultan died before Jasmine got married--basically only Jafar would be around to do anything. Knowing Jafar, if the sultan had male relatives he would probably attempt to find one that was easily manipulated and install him. It sounds more difficult than just seizing the kingdom himself, but it's actually easier, because if he seized it himself the sultan's relatives would probably start a war against him. Wars of succession happened all over the place in medieval Arabia.
Meesh
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:38 pm
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Go for it.
persian85033
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:12 pm
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Meesh wrote:
Yeah the truth would have to be revealed somehow... Might make an interesting fanfic
Yes, it would make a great fic! You've just given me a great idea! Thanks! If you don't mind my using it?
Princess of Agrabah
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:24 pm
Post subject: Re: If the Guards Didn't Show Up....
Meesh wrote:
If the guards didn't show up to arrest Aladdin when he and Jasmine were first meeting, what do you think would have happened?
I think the rating would have to be bumped up all the way to PG-13 XD.
But in all seriousness, that is an interesting thought. I'd love to write a fanfic about it, as I've never written an Aladdin fanfic before ( perhaps it's fear of butchering the movie
).
Syera
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:45 pm
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Cantare wrote:
She is unnecessarily overbearing in both of those, easily offended and overly sensitive. But maybe that's the writers' fault, not hers.
Or she has PMS.
guest
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:58 pm
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It would be nice if they tripped over a rock and fell from the 'window'
xD
Cantare
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:14 am
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Lol, I understand. But I also do know when to own up to my oversights. I still think of Jasmine as a sheltered brat at the beginning of the Aladdin movie, but yeah she does change a lot and show her responsible, compassionate side as the movie and the TV series progress. I really liked her in KoT actually because she was so understanding of Aladdin. And in the TV series she was usually assertive and responsible but not overbearing. In some episodes though the writers really made her go to extremes. Like the one where she gets turned into a rat, and in the Vapor Chase (is that the one where Abis Mal sets all those smoke things loose). She is unnecessarily overbearing in both of those, easily offended and overly sensitive. But maybe that's the writers' fault, not hers.
Anyway, she would make a good ruler. I just wonder how good of a sultan Aladdin would be beside her (another thing I'm exploring in writing).
Calluna
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:41 pm
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Hey, you don't have to agree with me, I'm not one of those kind of admins! I like to argue!
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