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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Jasmine9"]There's a lot of good reading material out there if you're interested in Middle East history (that said, there's also a lot of bad reading material that's incredibly biased in either direction). I do know my professor teaches some online courses, but I'm not sure through what institution she does it. If you've got lots of time to read, I could recommend some books to you on any particular facet or time period of M.E. history you're interested in (ie women's studies, pre-Islamic Arabia, the Islamic world, Israel/Palestine...) just because my professor must have assigned me about 200 books to read over the nine courses I took with her, haha.[/quote]
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Calluna
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:55 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
I
wish
we had a floor plan. If I ever have the time, I should try to piece together the palace with the shots we have from the series and such. It's hard, though, cause it's never the same twice, apparently. It's either animation goofs or the fact that palace was destroyed all the time
A genie did it.
I would be up for that as well. I'm already taking way, way more screenshots of the palace interior than necessary.
Oh, and I split this convo out of the other thread. Nothing wrong with it; it was just getting long, and I thought this would make it easier to find posts in the future.
Jafaria
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:40 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
Is there really? I love muqarnas! I need to re-watch the series for this stuff now.
I
wish
we had a floor plan. If I ever have the time, I should try to piece together the palace with the shots we have from the series and such. It's hard, though, cause it's never the same twice, apparently. It's either animation goofs or the fact that palace was destroyed all the time
I'm not sure what kind of architectural craziness was in the series, but the pointless muqarnas is most visible in the scene of the movie where the sultan is reprimanding Jafar for beheading people.
Jasmine9
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:45 pm
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That's actually a really great idea! Wouldn't it be so nerdy-awesome if we all tried to do that together?
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:40 am
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Is there really? I love muqarnas! I need to re-watch the series for this stuff now.
I
wish
we had a floor plan. If I ever have the time, I should try to piece together the palace with the shots we have from the series and such. It's hard, though, cause it's never the same twice, apparently. It's either animation goofs or the fact that palace was destroyed all the time
Jafaria
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:46 pm
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My favorite misplaced architectural element has got to be the muqarnas decoration above the throne when Hamed is ruling.
Not only is it not associated with the Abbasid period, it's not associated with that part of buildings. Unless the throne is actually under one of the domes (would a floorplan for the palace of Agrabah be the most awesome thing in the history of Aladdin, or what?) there's...pointless muqarnas. It's out of place temporally and logically.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:47 am
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Oh, definitely. The architectural elements in that palace are insane. You can find some element of a country that was in the Mediterranean in the palace. I don't know who Hamed had with him when they constructed it, but I think they need to go in for questioning
. The styles of the arches are all over the place, for example. Most of the time, they're Iranian pointed, but then for no reason you get a Moroccan horseshoe arch or a Spanish trefoil arch
. It definitely has the frontal facade of the Taj Mahal, or at least that middle section, though.
I always kind of thought they were making a nod to Oleg Grabar, that famous Islamic architectural expert, with Agrabah, too.
Jasmine9
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:52 pm
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What's funny is that not only are there a lot of anachronisms in the film, but they span different parts of the world: the initial concept of Agrabah was that it was actually Baghdad, which, despite being in the Arab world, isn't technically "Arabia," while "Arabian Nights" suggests to us that Agrabah is somewhere on the Arabian Peninsula. Then Rasoul Azadani (who is incredible, btw) took photographs of his native Isfahan, Iran for inspiration, which isn't even an Arab state and never has been. The palace, at least to me, screams of the Taj Mahal, which is in India - not the Middle East at all. I especially think they modeled the palace after the Taj Mahal being that the Taj is in the city of Agra. Sound familiar? As for the Turkish element, the fez is definitely a Turkish accent, although that wasn't instituted until the last few breaths of the Ottoman Empire.
Not that I'm nitpicking at all - either way, the movie was beautiful and flawlessly done and I wouldn't want to see it any other way. Just noticing some little cultural things
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:00 pm
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I need to find my notes from Islamic Art last year. I would highlight and circle things that reminded me of the palace, and a lot of it is either Iranian (which we already more or less knew) or Turkish (which is probably why I don't mind the Timurid look cause Agrabah reminds me more of Turkey than anything else). It has to be one of the oddest architectural structures ever both in look and time period, though
Trying to date this series using its art is hard, though, and even worse when taking into account the rest of the canon. It's all over the place with items that make it super early and really late. That fez on Aladdin's head alone throws everything off
Jafaria
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:16 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
(Welcome!
)
Why does everyone's school have a ME History Major except mine? I've been taking ME History/Art History classes (I'm in one now), but I don't think there's enough for even a minor which is what I would get
I'm in Islamic Art this year too. It amuses me how so many things from Iran and central Asia in the 1300s look like bits of Agrabah, even though Agrabah is most definitely not that late in history and probably not that area, either. I appreciate the work done to gather reference photos, but they're still
wrong-period
reference photos.
(Of course, you can't take pictures of actual Abbasid architecture unless you go to Samarra or have a time machine, but I'd settle for using, I don't know, Umayyad or even Fatimid structures as inspiration over using Timurid Persian ones.)
Jasmine9
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:01 pm
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There's a lot of good reading material out there if you're interested in Middle East history (that said, there's also a lot of bad reading material that's incredibly biased in either direction). I do know my professor teaches some online courses, but I'm not sure through what institution she does it.
If you've got lots of time to read, I could recommend some books to you on any particular facet or time period of M.E. history you're interested in (ie women's studies, pre-Islamic Arabia, the Islamic world, Israel/Palestine...) just because my professor must have assigned me about 200 books to read over the nine courses I took with her, haha.
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:57 am
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My school just has one or two classes on the Middle East, over two departments (history and women's studies), plus a 3-year sequence for Arabic. There's a non-Western history minor, with stuff about Africa and Asia and the Middle East, which seems interesting. I would like to take some ME history courses, as I am far too ignorant about that area of the world.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:40 pm
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A silly little college here in Tennessee whose motto is "Let's go peay" (pronounced 'pee'). I should have realized then there was going to be a lack of culture on the agenda
I'm majoring in art myself, and we're JUST NOW getting some Middle Eastern history/ME Art history classes right as I'm close to leaving. I take history classes for fun (I could have a minor in it if I took World History I and II because I have just that many extra credits hanging out), but it would be cool to have a major in that. There's sooooo much stuff.
Jasmine9
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:22 pm
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Well, technically speaking, my degree (I just graduated this past May) only says "history" (and "music," as I double majored) but I concentrated heavily in Middle East history - of the eleven required courses to get the history degree, seven of the classes I took were Middle East (and I only took four non-ME history classes for "history distribution requirements" so that I could actually graduate) and all with the same professor (she MADE the ME history department when she came in my sophomore year and I'm eternally grateful to her!) I also minored in Arabic, so I kind of "self-designed" my Middle East history major.
What school did/do you go to?
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:55 pm
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(Welcome!
)
Why does everyone's school have a ME History Major except mine? I've been taking ME History/Art History classes (I'm in one now), but I don't think there's enough for even a minor which is what I would get
Thundra's size just recently started bothering me when I was watching The Love Bug a few weeks ago. Her hair doesn't help either
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