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Amadou Prince/Princess

Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 228 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Another question of mine (about Al's past) |
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I adore asking questions!
In "Elemental, My Dear Jasmine" Al said a phrase about tons of girls he had dated before Jasmine. I admit there was at least one. I wonder:
- How serious may have it been?
- and What may be a reason of their break-up?
(maybe there was some sad story)
I could have a few ideas, but I've got a muddle in my head for a moment. _________________
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Salukfan Tiger-Clawed Thief

Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 1991 Location: Butler, PA
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I remember this conversation on the AML.
I don't really have much to say about the topic, other than I think that Aladdin's been around the block (grr cliche) a few times. Now, tons of ex-girlfriends? Doubtful. He's just failing miserably at impressing Jasmine.
As for break ups, who knows. People get together and break up for the dumbest of reasons in their teenage years. _________________
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Ariellen Scourge of the Desert

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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I remember past discussions about this subject too, but hey, it's been a while.
Me at age 15 or so was DEAD set against this idea.
In the years since...I don't think he had a relationship as serious as the one he had with Jasmine, because I don't think he would really have wanted that type of relationship; staying alive seemed like it was his full-time job, and he needed Abu to help him accomplish that. I don't think he could (or would...possibly both) put the time and effort into a 'relationship,' but the way that guy flirts? I definitely think it's realistic (did I just use 'realistic' to describe the love life of an animated character? ) to think he's had at least casual involvement with quite a few other girls before. But he's so devil may care that I tend to see this as "help a pretty girl out, steal some dinner for the both of you, enjoy the opportunity to occupy time with said pretty girl, but oops, she mistakes your general-niceness and flirtatiousness as sincere interest and isn't too thrilled when she never hears from you again."
Another reason I've come to believe that he's dated other girls is because someone (I think it was Calluna, quite a while ago) pointed out that Aladdin's not exactly a very good liar. He could be exaggerating by saying 'tons' ('what do you mean by DATE?'...let's count anything that involves being alone with a girl; that sounds macho!) but it came out too quickly and he tried too hard to smooth over the issue for it to be totally untrue. |
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APK Sinister Snack Fairy
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 1322 Location: Lost
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Another reason I've come to believe that he's dated other girls is because someone (I think it was Calluna, quite a while ago) pointed out that Aladdin's not exactly a very good liar. |
I swear that at first, I thought you were about to say that you've come to believe that he's dated Calluna. I was about to post, "What?? What have you been hiding??"
But you know, even though I've always believed he's dated other girls, I didn't think about what might have caused break-ups and that the reasons might have been sad. I always assumed the reasons would be funny and that most of the break-ups ended up with Aladdin getting slapped in the face. But maybe there is a sad story, like Aladdin "dating" a girl when he was a little kid (you know, the whole we're boyfriend-girlfriend b/c we spend recess and snacktime together ) but then she went off with a rich guy when they were older.
Hmm....fanfic idea!  |
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Emmlei Prince/Princess

Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 184
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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I think he's pretty much flirted and maybe had friendships with a few girls, but nothing as serious as what he has with Jasmine. I'm basing it on how Abu acted when Jasmine first arrives. Aladdin was practically ignoring him, and he seemed very put off by this. I don't think he'd have reacted this way if Al had had a previous interest with a girl the way he was with Jas. And pretty much what DisneyPrincess said; he simply didn't have the time or energy to put into a relationship before the events of the film. |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Basically what everyone else already said. (I've won a lot of converts to my position. ) The "tons" line was an exaggeration, I'm sure, but not an outright lie. I think he's gone on dates, kissed other girls, possibly a little further than that, but I really doubt he'd been in love before or had a long-term relationship. I have a feeling he has a lot of exes he's still friends with.
As for what would have caused these not to work? Well, firstly, Aladdin was not really interested in love at that point in his life. ("We'll be rich, live in a palace, and never have any problems at all" - no mention of true love there.) I don't think it was hard for him to get enough food to stay alive at that point, but as far as long-term goals he was a lot more interested in raising himself out of poverty than in finding a wife.
Another potential cause of breakups: Aladdin would either be dating another streetrat like himself or a girl slightly better off than him (daughter of the "working class", possibly middle class). If she was also a streetrat she might not have had the time for a serious relationship either. Not to mention they would worry that if they got married and/or had kids they might no longer be able to get enough food to feed themselves anymore. (I'm sure it's not easy to outrun the guards while pregnant or carrying a baby. ) If the girl was better off than Al those things wouldn't be as much of an issue, but there'd be the added complication of parents or other family members who wouldn't approve of the relationship.
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Another reason I've come to believe that he's dated other girls is because someone (I think it was Calluna, quite a while ago) pointed out that Aladdin's not exactly a very good liar. He could be exaggerating by saying 'tons' ('what do you mean by DATE?'...let's count anything that involves being alone with a girl; that sounds macho!) but it came out too quickly and he tried too hard to smooth over the issue for it to be totally untrue. |
Yeah, that sounds like something I would say. Although now that I think about it more it's not so much that he's a bad liar as that when the series creators want us to know a character is lying they make it really obvious; and the way he's acting there is similar to how other characters have acted when they want us to know something is a lie.
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[I swear that at first, I thought you were about to say that you've come to believe that he's dated Calluna. I was about to post, "What?? What have you been hiding??"  |
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I'm basing it on how Abu acted when Jasmine first arrives. Aladdin was practically ignoring him, and he seemed very put off by this. I don't think he'd have reacted this way if Al had had a previous interest with a girl the way he was with Jas. |
I kind of interpretted that the opposite way, that Abu is annoyed because he's thinking, "what, another one?!!"  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Emmlei Prince/Princess

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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I'm basing it on how Abu acted when Jasmine first arrives. Aladdin was practically ignoring him, and he seemed very put off by this. I don't think he'd have reacted this way if Al had had a previous interest with a girl the way he was with Jas.
I kind of interpretted that the opposite way, that Abu is annoyed because he's thinking, "what, another one?!!" Laughing
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Yeah, there's that too. Either could work, but more weight for yours. |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised if Abu didn't try to sabotage any of those relationships, either. Like a "Parent Trap" kind of thing.  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Ariellen Scourge of the Desert

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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised if Abu didn't try to sabotage any of those relationships, either. Like a "Parent Trap" kind of thing.  |
*imagines Abu with a twin singing "Let's Get Together"* Eh, that idea kind of hurts my ears.
But I like your thinking here...Abu's a cunning one; I bet he could have pulled it off. |
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Amadou Prince/Princess

Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 228 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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APK wrote: |
maybe there is a sad story, like Aladdin "dating" a girl when he was a little kid (you know, the whole we're boyfriend-girlfriend b/c we spend recess and snacktime together ) but then she went off with a rich guy when they were older.
Hmm....fanfic idea!  |
I think I've read a story like that somewhere... There, several years later she paid a visit to the Sultan, saw Aladdin and realized how she'd been wrong about her choice. I don't remember who wrote this one.
Guys, thanks for your answers, they let me learn so many different sides of Al's personality. Everyday - something new!  _________________
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persian85033 Elemental

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 2061 Location: Agrabah(I wish)
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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That link doesn't work... _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Amadou Prince/Princess

Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 228 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Well... I can't check it. The link indeed doesn't work. |
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persian85033 Elemental

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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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How about this one? http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3142865/1/ _________________ "I too am a member of your species, Captain, or I was. Perhaps I am not anymore. Perhaps you are right in thinking of me as an alien. I know I am different from you. You see-I do not kill." |
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Amadou Prince/Princess

Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 228 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Aah, yours
No, actually I meant another story. Maybe, I'll find it and post the link here. |
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