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dazzeling diamond Gypsy of Mystery

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 310 Location: The land Down Under (Australia)
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: Peacock Princess |
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I just bought the latest princess enchanetd tales dvd, and went straight to Peacock princess, only to be very pleased to see it in original style animation! The plotline wasn't terrible either! Care to share thoughts? |
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Merkal Sultan

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 466 Location: NL
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't seen the whole 'movie' yet but of the two songs Peacock Princess is the worst. Jasmine is off-model, acts out of character and has facial expressions that give me nightmares. |
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Amadou Prince/Princess

Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 228 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Just what I thought. So I don't even have to bother that I can't watch it! _________________
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 11877 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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You can view the full thing online if you're super curious. Just go to youtube.
And while it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, it was still enough to make me headdesk a few times. It just...I dunno, it felt too watered down or something. |
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dazzeling diamond Gypsy of Mystery

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 310 Location: The land Down Under (Australia)
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I actually didn't mind it....I must be the only one! I thought while there some awfully sugary moments, the sentiment was there, her whole "I want to do more for this kingdom" thing. The facial expression she made in the song, is ridiculous on purpose, that much I know.
I was just happy that the animation was good, it kind of brightened the whole thing for me. Plus we got see more of the palace grounds and stuff. Perhaps if Linda Larkin lowered her voice like she did for the movie, Jasmine wouldn't sound overly perky like she does in some moments.
Other than that, I thought it was reasonable. The second song, was better than the first, and it was nice to see her childhood nanny/attendant whom I've never seen before, but perhaps she is in the series but I just haven't seen it. All in all, I thought it was alright, the animation made it worth it....plus my insane adoration for Jasmine. Mind you, if you thought her story was bad....OMG u have to see Aurora's *shudders* |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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There are a couple of threads about this in Announcements, but I don't mind another one.
My feelings about it are kind of mixed. I didn't like the songs, although the last one was tolerable. I don't so much mind that Jas's voice was high, but the way she phrased things didn't sound like her at all. Just in principle I didn't like the fact that they felt they needed to dumb down her vocabulary to appeal to younger kids, although I understand why they did. (If they're interested in a video spinoff, haven't they seen the original? And if so they should be able to handle something at least *that* sophisticated, right?) Same with the lack of Al and Genie: I understand the reasoning, just don't agree with it.
On the other hand, while I don't think that how Jas spoke was in character, most of her actions were (school scene notwithstanding). Iago was a little too nice, but everyone else was recognizable. The animation wasn't movie quality, but it was better than anything in the series or DTVs. I liked the new characters; the nursemaid reminded me of how I pictured the cook in Tales From Agrabah (I know she's got some fans here ). And I like that they're filling in some of the blanks of that immediately-post-RoJ era. (10 episodes for one year is not enough!)
It's gotten us all talking again, so that at least is a positive as far as I'm concerned. Not just here, AML suddenly exploded in the past week or so, which I wasn't expecting to ever happen.
All in all though, this was not really made for us fans, who want more of the series/sequels. It's for the parents who buy all the Disney Princess DVDs, who hate the series. And if I can get past that then I can enjoy the parts of it that I do like.  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 11877 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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dazzeling diamond wrote: |
Mind you, if you thought her story was bad....OMG u have to see Aurora's *shudders* |
Do not remind me . Hers was the biggest slap in the face ever.
Calluna wrote: |
It's for the parents who buy all the Disney Princess DVDs, who hate the series. |
Which is stupid because the only real difference is what? Songs and a lack of beating the obvious over your face?  |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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The series is too badly animated and too scary, apparantly.  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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dazzeling diamond Gypsy of Mystery

Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 310 Location: The land Down Under (Australia)
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Aurora....man, they turned her into barbie! And had her stating the obvious all the time "I must NOT look for an EASY way out! I must persevere!"....more or less what she said repeatedly.
Yeah, the animation was not movie quality, but one would probably need a big budget for that.
Is it just me, or do they often get the contours of Jasmine's face wrong, when they animate her at any point outside the movie? Its her jawline or something...
I noticed the thing about her talking a bit childishly, but for some reason, I stll think it was more the tone of her voice that annoyed me, the chirpy high quality. I think even if she were to say the same words in her movie voice, she still would have sounded better, but that's just my opinion.
In some ways though, I'm still glad they made it, because correct me if I'm wrong, but both her and Aurora's story were brand new ones...not from any previous series or creation, yes? Well, at least disney cares enough to still create stories for them, that has to count for something, right? |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 11877 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Calluna wrote: |
The series is too badly animated and too scary, apparantly.  |
....I think Iago being nice in this new short was way scarier than anything in the series . But that's stupid. How to market Jasmine to girls through the series is what's holding this up? Market it to the boys then if they don't think little girls are going to want it. That's the nice thing about our fandom! We can easily appeal to both sexes! They tried once with the Adventurers Collection in the Disney Store and I haven't seen it since Goof Troop got some DVDs, why not us? We were in that block of shows, too D:
Or shoot, just release it anyways and let us older fans have it. We're the ones with the money
dazzeling diamond wrote: |
Aurora....man, they turned her into barbie! And had her stating the obvious all the time "I must NOT look for an EASY way out! I must persevere!"....more or less what she said repeatedly. |
It wasn't even the repeating of crap that bothered me (ok, I lie, that did bother me ), it's just that they made her sound SO hyper. She's this bubbly teeny bopper and that's clearly not Aurora if you've EVER seen the movie. Gah. There wasn't a lick of grace in her at all. She flopped around that entire short going "LALALA I GOT POWER LALALA CHICKENS AND PINK AND YAY " They didn't even try, and if they did and this is what they got out of Aurora's character from watching the original movie? I'm terrified for any future treatment of anyone else  |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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AladdinsGenie wrote: |
But that's stupid. How to market Jasmine to girls through the series is what's holding this up? Market it to the boys then if they don't think little girls are going to want it. That's the nice thing about our fandom! We can easily appeal to both sexes! They tried once with the Adventurers Collection in the Disney Store and I haven't seen it since Goof Troop got some DVDs, why not us? We were in that block of shows, too D:
Or shoot, just release it anyways and let us older fans have it. We're the ones with the money  |
But the DVD boxed sets *are* marketed to adults, as far as I can tell. I was referring to the comments those Princess Collection DVDs that had Aladdin eps on them got; what they were expecting was something more like this. Maybe they're not selling them to adults *because* they still want to sell them to kids in this other format? I notice the TLM series doesn't have a DVD boxed set either... _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 11877 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Which episodes were those? Eye of the Beholder and Love At First Sprite? Eye of the Beholder creeps ME out
But if they're geared towards adults, or at least people old enough to remember them, why they're not releasing Aladdin and TLM is beyond me. I keep thinking it has something to do with the princess collection. You can't really girlify all the episodes cause she's not in all of them . If they can't find a way to go "HEY LOOK KIDS. A SERIES STARRING JASMINE", they won't do it. But then this is canceled out by TLM series.... |
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Jafaria Vizier's Handmaiden

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 419
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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It's not like Disney has a GOOD track record on keeping Aladdin characters IC, you know. I was just waiting for them to do it to Jasmine.
At least the animation is somewhat more acceptable than...that sequel whose name I do not mention.
This one only burns your soul, not your soul and your eyes. |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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AladdinsGenie wrote: |
Which episodes were those? Eye of the Beholder and Love At First Sprite? Eye of the Beholder creeps ME out  |
Those two and Bad Mood Rising. But EotB was the one getting all the comments about it being too scary. Stuff like, "I know it's supposed to teach kids that looks don't matter, but did she have to be so scary?" Miss the point, much?
Jafaria wrote: |
It's not like Disney has a GOOD track record on keeping Aladdin characters IC, you know. I was just waiting for them to do it to Jasmine.
At least the animation is somewhat more acceptable than...that sequel whose name I do not mention.
This one only burns your soul, not your soul and your eyes. |
...and this is another reason I don't want to have a knee-jerk negative reaction: because a lot of the same complaints this new DVD gets are the ones RoJ got, and I love RoJ. If RoJ came out today, exactly the same as it is now, we'd be the ones bitching about it.
Jafaria: I keep hearing you complaining RoJ is out of character, but what parts are you referring to, exactly, just out of curiosity? Why is it worse than the rest of the series (because I consider it part of the series)? It can't just be because they killed off your favorite character, right?  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 11877 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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If ROJ came out as it is today, especially in comparison to some Disney sequels like, oh, The Hunchback of Notre Dame II or The Little Mermaid II? I'd be thrilled I'm glad it came out before all the new sequels because they progressively got worse, only once in a while having a good one. Sure the animation looks a lot nicer, but the plots suck. The animation in this new short was nice and while the plot didn't suck...I don't know, they just didn't need to dumb it down so much. I'm just really indifferent about the whole thing.
The animation is never going to be on the same page as the originals; that's a completely different budget, but I give credit for at least trying like they did in Jasmine's story because again, it wasn't bad. I even excuse the 15 million forms the gang has in the series because I know they didn't exactly have a first movie budget to work with while doing this. Being ON MODEL while being animated is a different story, and I think that's what people are referring to. |
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