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| Who's your favorite recurring villain from the TV series? (Why can't I include everyone here) |
| Mirage |
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6% |
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| Abis Mal |
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20% |
[ 3 ] |
| Mozenrath |
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53% |
[ 8 ] |
| Mechanicles |
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13% |
[ 2 ] |
| Ayam Aghoul |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Sadira |
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6% |
[ 1 ] |
| Nefir Hassenuf |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Aziz |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Saleen |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Malcho |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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Mirage
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 Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: Recurring and 1-time villains, other recurring characters |
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The episodes with recurring villains give me a nice feeling of continuity and quality of storyline. Some one-off villains are interesting, I don't like some of them like the Yeti and Ding & Oopo. 
TV Series recurring friends and foes: (mostly only those who're in the frame for a lot of time) 
Abis Mal (13)
Mozenrath (9)
Mechanicles (7)
Mirage (6)
Fashir (6)
Ayam Aghoul (4)
Uncouthma (4)
Sadira (4)
Aziz (3)
Thundra (3)
Nefir (3)
Amin Damoola (3)
Almuddi (2)
Saleen (2)
Murk (2)
Malcho (2)
Sprites (2)
Hippsodeth (2)
Mukhtar (2)
Riders of Raymon (2)
Dhandi and Eden (2)
Chaos (1)
Kileem (1)
One-time Villains?:
Of Ice and Men (Frigid)
The Game (Ding & Oopo)
Moonlight Madness (No villain?)
Much Abu About Something (Dinosaur)
Do the Rat Thing (Fashir?)
Web of Fear (No villain?)
Hero with a Thousand Feathers (Amok Mon-Ra)
Bad Mood Rising (No villain?)
Power to the Parrot (Iago?)
Opposites Detract (Dragon)
Snowman is an Island (Yeti)
Garden of Evil (Arbutus)
The Animal Kingdom (Animals?)
Heads You Lose (Caliph Kapok)
The Ethereal (Ethereal)
Sneeze the Day (No villain?)
The Great Rift (Queen Dalukah)
Beast or Famine (Shaman)
What's your favorite order of villains and *WHY*? Mine is as follows and I've stated why I like him/her:
Mirage (apparent from my username ) (for the sheer power she has and the way she abuses it  )
Mozenrath (Ultimate style)
Jafar (Because he's Jafar!)
Abis Mal (Hilarious yet dangerous)
Ayam Aghoul (Cunning)
Malcho (Love revengeful villains)
Mukhtar (Wow mysterious)
Aziz (Quite intelligent)
Sadira (Not bad at heart)
Saleen (Spoilt daughter of the water)
Amin Damoola (Seriously, is he funnier or Abis Mal is?)
Nefir (Greedy!)
Sa'luk (I like the way Disney has done his appearance but I don't him very much for being a non-magical powerful human who's up to no good) - No offense to Salukfan) 
Mechanicles (I don't like him much, but I love his cleanliness OCD)
Uncouthma (Because he's uncouth and I hate him for always misunderstanding people)
Hippsodeth (Bad projection of woman power)
Almuddi (Huh? Anything can be dangerous-mud and water??)
Plus, I know it's been discussed before, but I've like to revive what are everyone's favorite characters you wish you saw more/less of.
I would have loved to see more of Eden and Fasir & Mirage's past and the Ethereal and yeah Chaos! If I get to choose just one, I'd go for Chaos.  And I'd have liked to see less of Odiferans and Mechanikles (Mechanikles has too many episodes IMHO but that's purely subjective) |
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Salukfan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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For "Sneeze the Day," I suppose Makana could be considered a villain. He's an obstacle, anyway.)
I'm also going to add Hamar (from the Skull and Dagger) to your list. He's not a villain as much as he's antagonistic (and often towards fellow villain Amin Damoolah), but he's present and he's pretty fun and I love him so I can't let him be forgotten. He's in three episodes, I think, though he is in the background of a couple of Skull and Dagger episodes.
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It's ok, I can handle it.
Oh, boy, rankings. This could get sticky. I'll just list some of my favorite villains for the moment; I may do a full list at some point, but I think it would require some re-watching.
Sa'luk: SHOCKING. He kind of gets stuck being the villain in a film that could have worked well without a villain. He's not the main force of the plot and he's not what the hero is trying to overcome-- in fact, he never actually gets to fight the man he's acting against. There's also the whole "wait... why does he want the Hand of Midas when he's never even indicated that he knows what the heck it is or that it's even real?" plot hole that I see, anyway, but past all of that, he's a fun character. Sa'luk's smart, powerful, and knows how to play the right hand when he wants something. Yeah, he' s no match for Cassim's quick wit, but Sa'luk balances that out with a physicality that I doubt Cassim could counter. I mean, come on, it is awesome when he tries to convince the seven leftover thieves to join him, they refuse and attack him, he kicks the crap out of them, and they have this "... uh, let's just join him." reaction. I feel like there's a lot of potential for great Cassim and Sa'luk interraction; I mean, a leader and second-in-command who can't stand each other and have different philosophies as to how to run things could lead to some interesting conversatoins, given the personalities.
Sadira: I think she's the most relatable of the villains-- trust me, I related to her Aladdin prediciment. Her motivations aren't grandiose or evil, but still she's not a pushover to defeat. Her schemes are sound, even though things go incredibly wrong. And she's that teenager in all of us -- overcome by that cute guy, afraid she can't live up to the rich/popular girl, longing for friendship, and figuring out her new abilities. I like "Witch Way Did She Go" because we get to see her settling into her life-- decorating her home, cooking, having friends over-- but then she still has to prove that she deserves it all. And, as a complete aside, I love her over-the-top, gaudy fantasies.
Amin Damoolah: My favorite comedic villain, without a doubt. He's a villain that's hard to describe accurately on the page-- he needs to be watched. The great voice work and the visual gags make Amin so fun. His relationship with Hamar (best illustrated in Scare Necessities) is hysterical; Hamar calls him Foot Stool for goodness sake. I love that he's one of the few villains to cross-over with other villains and work with Mozenrath. I wish Amin could have made a re-apperance in another Mozenrath episode, even just tied up in a corner in the Citadel.
Aziz/Minos/Fatima: I list the three together because the vast majority of the time we see them, they are a team. I wish we could have seen more of these characters... or gotten some clue as to what the heck happened to Minos and Fatima, because they obviously didn't stop Aziz. Each character has a real "arc" over the episodes, rare for the one-shot villains, and they're all clearly defined and awesome. Aziz finally gets power and some respect. Fatima repents because she's regrets what she lost to find wealth. Minos essentially stays the same, but is able to "turn" good because the woman he loves is finally able to love him back. Great stuff, though again, I wish there could have been more of it from Abu's perspective or something.
Hamar: His banter with Amin in "Scare Necessities" makes the episode for me. His disbelief, snark, ruthlessness, and sense of humor make threatening but also give him this blow hard air-- I imagine that a lot of the stuff he says isn't exactly true, but no one really contests it. I mean, Mekanikles is no thief, yet no one complains that he's in the Skull and Dagger in one episode... I feel like Hamar has made this policy (he's the only one that calls anyone out), but the Inn Keeper has never bothered to contradict him.
Zorasto ("Riders Redux"): I have a thing for Aladdin-verse thieves. He's one of the few villains in the series that is actually competent. He's successful for quite a while, he's fair to his men, and he's quick-witted. He's also stylish, charismatic, and has an awesome war cry. Assuming that he's the same Zorasto from "The Sands of Fate" (the design is quite different, but the name is the same and it does involve the Riders of Remand), getting out of that time warp has done him some good.
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AladdinsGenie
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Mirage's plans to take over Agrabah make NO sense, but she's the only one that's really managed to dig up some personal issues with the gang and really have them be tested individually and as a whole, which I like. She really brought up some interesting subjects, especially with Jasmine in "Eye of the Beholder" who you don't really get a sense of "oh god oh god is Aladdin still going to love me?! D:" in the saga. She tapped into an insecurity with her that we don't see all the time like we do with Aladdin on the opposite end. So I like her, just not her plans
And I love Sadira, but calling her a villain is weird to me, personally. She never really tried to cause harm to anyone in her "evil plans", which are nothing more than to ultimately get in Aladdin's pants . At least in contrast to someone like Saleen, who was trying to cause harm when she didn't get her way...who was also just ultimately trying to get in Aladdin's pants . I think Sadira is more experimental fangirl than evil villian.
Honestly, though, I have to give to Abis Mal as my favorite. Yes, the guy who once counted to "forty-ten" . If he wasn't so DUMB, he really could have done some damage. Most of his episodes are trying to get back what's he's already stolen and using against them, or undo what he's already accomplished. He's already taken over the palace, he's already stolen the baby griffin egg, he's already stolen Eden's bottle (and Genie's lamp, and even been in control of Jafar's lamp, for criminey's sake ), he's even managed to go back in TIME and cause problems. He HAS everything in place; he has the gang on their heels every time...but then he trips somewhere and it's all downhill from there. It's just...goah . The stones, the potions, the feathers, the powders...he gets ahold of some pretty awesome stuff, but doesn't use them right.
I just know Mozenrath isn't very high on my list because he doesn't particularly DO anything. He's an interesting character that's definitely more fleshed out than most, but...like...that's it. He managed to what? Capture Genie and Aladdin few times? Get control of the palace once? Pretty much everyone has accomplished either one or both of those, so he's not particularly special in regard . He seems to be trying to get ahold of more power and THEN take over Agrabah...if he's even trying to do the latter. It looks like he just likes to mess with them |
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goten0040
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Gonna have to go with Moze, here, mainly because I like a character that I can look at and go "Hm... I wonder why..." I LOVED his character and his ruthlessness, but I just wish they could have put him in a movie or something because, frankly, they didn't have enough time to really give him any characterization that would really help us understand why he is the way he is. But I do love a character that can be immortalized in fanfiction. XDDDD
Jafar would have to come second of course, because frankly, no one measures up to Jafar (and he has the coolest voice on the planet).
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Calluna
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| Salukfan wrote: |
| I'm also going to add Hamar (from the Skull and Dagger) to your list. He's not a villain as much as he's antagonistic (and often towards fellow villain Amin Damoolah), but he's present and he's pretty fun and I love him so I can't let him be forgotten. He's in three episodes, I think, though he is in the background of a couple of Skull and Dagger episodes. |
How about Akbar, the series' Ralph Wiggum, for the same reasons? The only episode he has a major part in was "Poor Iago", but he has a bit part in a few others... "Caught by the Tale", "The Flawed Couple", I think "Smolder and Wiser"... any others?
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Salukfan
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It's funny that Hamar and Akbar, the two characters with the closest ties to the Skull and Dagger, never appear together. The only time they're close is Hamar being in the opening shot of "Smolder and Wiser."
Akbar does get the privilege of an episode outside of the Skull and Dagger. Hamar only leaves when that monster from Scare Necessities chases him out.
Speaking of recurring characters, should we include the creepy shopkeeper here? She's not a villain, really, but she definitely dislikes the gang (and for good reason-- I don't know her episode order, but I'm guessing Scare Necessities is her first episode?). She doesn't care what goes on as long as she gets paid, but still.
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Calluna
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| Akbar does get the privilege of an episode outside of the Skull and Dagger. Hamar only leaves when that monster from Scare Necessities chases him out. |
Yeah, and when we see Akbar stealing he's a cutpurse of all things. I'd have expected him to be mugging people in alleys. Of course, if someone who looked like Akbar tried to sneak something out of my purse I'd pretend not to see him, too.
Hamar is all talk. He probably doesn't rob anyone but the other thieves.
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| Speaking of recurring characters, should we include the creepy shopkeeper here? She's not a villain, really, but she definitely dislikes the gang (and for good reason-- I don't know her episode order, but I'm guessing Scare Necessities is her first episode?). She doesn't care what goes on as long as she gets paid, but still. |
Oh, how'd I forget her?! I would have guessed "Moonlight Madness" was her first ep, but I'm too tired to go check right now. I bet she's in more eps than Akbar and Hamar combined! Really, really wish I knew her name.
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AladdinsGenie
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| I keep wanting to call her Fatima, but that's the other mean shop lady from the Adventure books |
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Salukfan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Hamar is all talk. He probably doesn't rob anyone but the other thieves. |
That's my guess. He blathers and boasts and the others just ignore him.
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| I would have guessed "Moonlight Madness" was her first ep, but I'm too tired to go check right now. |
*Checks* It is Moonlight. Scare's scene just seemed introductory to me, but then again, how would they have known about her shop in the first place?
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Mirage
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
| Mirage's plans to take over Agrabah make NO sense, but she's the only one that's really managed to dig up some personal issues with the gang and really have them be tested individually and as a whole, which I like. |
That's what I like about her. She's evil in spite of having no reason to be (or rather that reason isn't revealed to us!).  Remember Fashir who can foresee the future says "One day, love will triumph over your evil heart". |
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Salukfan
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| Remember Fashir who can foresee the future says "One day, love will triumph over your evil heart". |
I'm not sure he's making a prophesy there. He says it wistfully, as though he hopes it will happen. I imagine this as one of those prophet "loopholes," where he can see what's happening all around him but not within his own relationships. Then again, he did say Mirage "pursued her malevolent path," so maybe he knew what would become of her?
... Fasir is complicated.
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My favourite villains would have to be Mozenrath, Mirage, Abis Mal, and Mechanicles. My Mozenrath obsession should be obvious to anybody who remembers when I used to post here more often, and I like how it's next to impossible to win against Mirage. I loved how when I'd watch an episode with Moz or Mirage and wonder "How will our heroes get out of this one?"
And, although I complain about Abis Mal and Mechanicles, Abis Mal's stupidity cracks me up. And Mechanicles? He's the villain I love to smear dirt on. hahaha!
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Meesh
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I think I'm gonna go with (in no specific order) Zorastro, Mosenrath, Mirage, the genie hunter, and Haroud.
I just really like the episode "Riders Redux." I think a desert rider with a magical hourglass is AWESOME. He is also competent and isn't a softy.
Mosenrath? Cool character. I like all of the episodes. Not a whole lot to say here.
Mirage? Also a cool character. She is sly and kind of pretty and mysterious. She is fun to imagine as a human... Probably would be a fun picture to draw.
The genie hunter (the name escapes me) is a deep character I think. He's old and wise and his change of heart is rather touching.
I just like Haroud because, without him, I wouldn't be able to stand Abis Mal. It's funny when Abis Mal takes his ideas or Haroud gives him the obvious answers, obviously thinking "this guy is a total idiot," but keeping his cool... I really wish there had been more development with him. A change of heart maybe? (either he turns good or finally revolts against Abis Mal)
Sadira is a very good one to write fanfiction about, but I find her annoying. I get enough petty teenage drama in my own life.
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Jafaria
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He's not quite as awesome as Jafar, but Mozenrath was an acceptable substitute.
Also? I think he only got two episodes, but Amin Damoolah is funny. I love the way he says "Guess who has a magic belt of invisibility!"
And now that I think about it, it sounds like "I've got a jar of dirt! I've got a jar of dirt! And guess what's inside it!" Someone needs to remix those two lines together.
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Meesh
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He had 3 *pokes above posts*
And yeah he is funny
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